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Is there any evidence the US has directed the intentional sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China in recent years? Russia a

Is there any evidence the US has directed the intentional sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China in recent years? Russia appears to be waging an all-out cyber war against the US at this point. Putin admitted as much in the hour-long interview with NBC a month ago. He declared as openly as he possibly could have that the US would be targeted until it came to the negotiating table (they want sanctions etc. removed in exchange for stopping the attacks). So far the US appears to have been exceptionally reserved in its response, given it's a clear declaration of war by Russia to be intentionally targeting critical US infrastructure with attacks.

clydethefrog 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olympic_Games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olympic_Games
- eigenket 5y ago
  Why when asked about "sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China" do you reply with sabotage of something in Iran which is neither an energy nor food provider?
- ruggeri 5y ago
  Sibbling comment is correct that this is an attack on a military research project, not civilian infrastructure. Thus non-responsive to the original request. Perhaps a better (but also possibly fictional) example is sabotage of the Soviet trans-Siberian gas pipeline in 1983. Certainly there appears to have been a US suggestion to surreptitiously provide the Soviet Union with compromised technology it was seeking in the West. But it's not clear whether compromised technology was provided, or whether the US caused the pipeline explosion. Here is one (controversial) source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss I wasn't going to comment at all, since the US does a lot of - ahem - "disruption" throughout the world. However, I'm not aware that the US does a lot of civilian infrastructure attacks outside of active military theatres. If true: it's a notable/interesting fact. But I'm also not sure that civilian infrastructure attacks are further beyond the pale than rendition, bombing, arms sales, embargoes, et cetera. I worry that we in the States are more sensitive to infrastructure attacks because (1) it's a weapon readily available to our national adversaries and (2) for the first time, we are the victims.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
The USA has sabotaged everyone. They have compromised everyone's security. They spy on everyone, even their own citizens. Domestic law enforcement agencies actively exploit vulnerabilities in software. The USA has satellites violating the airspace of sovereign nations, imaging them and collecting all of their communications. They're so active on these fronts that it's comical to see them complaining about other countries trying to do anything.

clydethefrog 5y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olympic_Games https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Olympic_Games

eigenket 5y ago
Why when asked about "sabotage of critical energy providers and food providers in Russia or China" do you reply with sabotage of something in Iran which is neither an energy nor food provider?
ruggeri 5y ago
Sibbling comment is correct that this is an attack on a military research project, not civilian infrastructure. Thus non-responsive to the original request. Perhaps a better (but also possibly fictional) example is sabotage of the Soviet trans-Siberian gas pipeline in 1983. Certainly there appears to have been a US suggestion to surreptitiously provide the Soviet Union with compromised technology it was seeking in the West. But it's not clear whether compromised technology was provided, or whether the US caused the pipeline explosion. Here is one (controversial) source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss I wasn't going to comment at all, since the US does a lot of - ahem - "disruption" throughout the world. However, I'm not aware that the US does a lot of civilian infrastructure attacks outside of active military theatres. If true: it's a notable/interesting fact. But I'm also not sure that civilian infrastructure attacks are further beyond the pale than rendition, bombing, arms sales, embargoes, et cetera. I worry that we in the States are more sensitive to infrastructure attacks because (1) it's a weapon readily available to our national adversaries and (2) for the first time, we are the victims.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

The USA has sabotaged everyone. They have compromised everyone's security. They spy on everyone, even their own citizens. Domestic law enforcement agencies actively exploit vulnerabilities in software. The USA has satellites violating the airspace of sovereign nations, imaging them and collecting all of their communications. They're so active on these fronts that it's comical to see them complaining about other countries trying to do anything.