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China is just the bogeyman of the hour. If it were more politically convenient to blame Russia or Iran you'd suddenly find the same evidence pointing a differen

China is just the bogeyman of the hour. If it were more politically convenient to blame Russia or Iran you'd suddenly find the same evidence pointing a different way.

adflux 5y ago
The bogeyman of the hour which is putting people into concentration camps. Would you say Nazi Germany was the bogeyman of the (then) hour aswell? IMO these are some very valid concerns...
- curiousgal 5y ago
  Oh please. If the U.S. was so concerned about human rights violations they would stop funding Israel. Sorry dang.
  - hirako2000 5y ago
    They would also stop big bunch of other things.
  - pokot0 5y ago
    The US has too many internal problem to be the world savior. Every time the US looks outside its border, it's for its sole selfish interests. Human rights enforcement around the world is (unfortunately) not something we can reasonaly expect from US. Also the U in US is extremely optimistic. Different states would act completely differently if allowed to. The world need to look for a different hero: any proposal? (For a good laugh, I reccomend watching the excellent "When the Yogurt took over" on Netflix)
    - Robotbeat 5y ago
      Democracy, human rights, and self-determination as a concept should be the hero.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    It's more complicated than that. Few decisions, particularly ones regarding foreign policy, are made on single factors.
  - ycombigator 5y ago
    It's also instituted a very oppressive social credit system and runs an enormous censorship apparatus that it will be increasingly able to turn outwards in the future. Its really about their ability to destroy Western democracy - which is already happening.
enkid 5y ago
Russia and Iran do cyberattacks all the time. We have good evidence of these attacks from many sources. Same with China. The idea that these attacks are just being made up or we don't have evidence who executed them is either willfully ignorant (a google search will provide plenty of evidence) or actively malicious.
- Leparamour 5y ago
  > The idea that these attacks are just being made up or we don't have evidence who executed them is either willfully ignorant (a google search will provide plenty of evidence) or actively malicious. Tools to fake such attribution and evidence were literally part of the leaked NSA/Equation Group toolkit.
  - boston_clone 5y ago
    and yet, we were able to accurately attribute the code released in that leak as being developed by NSA.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      We know it was the NSA because of leaked NSA documents that admitted to the affiliation. Not from the tools themselves.
      - boston_clone 5y ago
        Interesting; could you share your source on that? I had only previously heard [0] that similarities in the tools were discovered by Kaspersky, not that there were any leaked docs that pointed the finger back at NSA themselves. Are you maybe thinking of PRISM/Wikileaks? [0] - https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/02/how-omnipotent-hackers-tied-to-the-nsa-hid-for-14-years-and-were-found-at-last/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/02/how-o...
  - SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
    Sure, and we should be willing to entertain skepticism of specific incidents when justified. The idea that there's no such thing as real attribution, that it's always fabricated based on political convenience, is just unproductive nihilism.
partiallypro 5y ago
The CCP runs concentration camps and is actively perpetuating ethnic cleansing. That doesn't seem "of the hour." That ignores CCP doings for the past 30+ years that have cost millions of lives.

China is just the bogeyman of the hour. If it were more politically convenient to blame Russia or Iran you'd suddenly find the same evidence pointing a different way.

adflux 5y ago

The bogeyman of the hour which is putting people into concentration camps. Would you say Nazi Germany was the bogeyman of the (then) hour aswell? IMO these are some very valid concerns...

curiousgal 5y ago
Oh please. If the U.S. was so concerned about human rights violations they would stop funding Israel. Sorry dang.
- hirako2000 5y ago
  They would also stop big bunch of other things.
- pokot0 5y ago
  The US has too many internal problem to be the world savior. Every time the US looks outside its border, it's for its sole selfish interests. Human rights enforcement around the world is (unfortunately) not something we can reasonaly expect from US. Also the U in US is extremely optimistic. Different states would act completely differently if allowed to. The world need to look for a different hero: any proposal? (For a good laugh, I reccomend watching the excellent "When the Yogurt took over" on Netflix)
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    Democracy, human rights, and self-determination as a concept should be the hero.
- kube-system 5y ago
  It's more complicated than that. Few decisions, particularly ones regarding foreign policy, are made on single factors.
- ycombigator 5y ago
  It's also instituted a very oppressive social credit system and runs an enormous censorship apparatus that it will be increasingly able to turn outwards in the future. Its really about their ability to destroy Western democracy - which is already happening.

enkid 5y ago

Russia and Iran do cyberattacks all the time. We have good evidence of these attacks from many sources. Same with China. The idea that these attacks are just being made up or we don't have evidence who executed them is either willfully ignorant (a google search will provide plenty of evidence) or actively malicious.

Leparamour 5y ago
> The idea that these attacks are just being made up or we don't have evidence who executed them is either willfully ignorant (a google search will provide plenty of evidence) or actively malicious. Tools to fake such attribution and evidence were literally part of the leaked NSA/Equation Group toolkit.
- boston_clone 5y ago
  and yet, we were able to accurately attribute the code released in that leak as being developed by NSA.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    We know it was the NSA because of leaked NSA documents that admitted to the affiliation. Not from the tools themselves.
    - boston_clone 5y ago
      Interesting; could you share your source on that? I had only previously heard [0] that similarities in the tools were discovered by Kaspersky, not that there were any leaked docs that pointed the finger back at NSA themselves. Are you maybe thinking of PRISM/Wikileaks? [0] - https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/02/how-omnipotent-hackers-tied-to-the-nsa-hid-for-14-years-and-were-found-at-last/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/02/how-o...
- SpicyLemonZest 5y ago
  Sure, and we should be willing to entertain skepticism of specific incidents when justified. The idea that there's no such thing as real attribution, that it's always fabricated based on political convenience, is just unproductive nihilism.

partiallypro 5y ago

The CCP runs concentration camps and is actively perpetuating ethnic cleansing. That doesn't seem "of the hour." That ignores CCP doings for the past 30+ years that have cost millions of lives.