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> But if Assange is innocent, he should just turn himself over to the Swedish government. > But if Assange wants freedom, all he needs to do is leave the embas
by Tycho 5y ago
> But if Assange is innocent, he should just turn himself over to the Swedish government.
> But if Assange wants freedom, all he needs to do is leave the embassy.
> But if Assange wants to get out of jail, he just needs to go through the UK courts.
> But if Assange didn’t commit any cyber-crimes, the evidence will show that.
> But if the evidence was made up, it probably wasn’t important to the case.
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> But if Assange dies in jail, that’s life.
> But if Assange had fought his case in the American legal system, we could have had a real discussion in this country about the relationship between journalism and the regime, before it was too late.
- happytoexplain 5y agoWhose mouths are you putting these words in? I don't doubt that each of these arguments was made by somebody at some point, but this parading and uncharitable extrapolation seems unhelpful.
- Tycho 5y agoBasically anyone who didn’t see what was obvious from the start, that this was a vindictive, bad-faith persecution pushed by the US gov because a journalist was actually making them experience some accountability.
- fastball 5y agoOn the one hand yes, on the other hand Assange kicked off the bad-faith by singling out the US under a guise of "just looking for the truth" while conveniently ignoring the failings of basically any other country.
- unclekev 5y ago> while conveniently ignoring the failings of basically any other country. This is not true. Wikileaks leaked material regardless of the materials country of origin. He never "singled out" the US, they just got the most upset out of any of the countries who had material that leaked because it was a substantial amount of data that made them look bad.
- fastball 5y agohttps://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-leaks-on-russian-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l...
- raxxorrax 5y agoMaybe he though a propaganda machine would try to spin some stories to blame the Russian to distract from their own failings. But aside from that I also think the report isn't truthful for that matter, it is framed like Wikileaks turned it down.
- amirkdv 5y agoThe proof is in the pudding. Where is Assange right now?
- CJefferson 5y agoAt what point did we leave step 1? The only reason we are moving on is Assange never turned himself in, as those of us in Step 1 said he should.
- Tycho 5y agoThe argument was that the only reason Assange wouldn’t turn himself in (even though he did initially, and was released) must be that he is guilty, not that there was a superpower trying to throw him in jail for the rest of life for unrelated reasons.
- ddtaylor 5y agoWhen he was falsely accused of rape.
- CRConrad 5y agoPlease stop repeating that lie about "falsely". It doesn't become any more true just because people keep saying it.