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Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1
- sam36 5y agoAnd? You can already do that. You just cant "hide" it.
- limeblack 5y agoYou had to have a permit before.
- xwdv 5y agoWhy would Hackernews find this relevant?
- Tade0 5y agoPerhaps because it sounds so foreign to the rest of the world that it's automatically interesting.
- melenaboija 5y agoAgree https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian...
- 13415 5y agoWell, the one who draws faster wins. I'd expect nothing less from Texas.
- kingosticks 5y agoIndeed, there's definitely an appetite for bizarre/weird stories on HN and as someone who lives outside of the US this seems totally bizarre to me. Even more bizarre that some other states already allow this. But actually, not that interesting to me. Provided they stay out there and shoot amongst themselves as is their "God-given right", or whatever it is.
- WrtCdEvrydy 5y agoIt's "hardware news"?
- GiorgioG 5y agoThis isn’t newsworthy.
- mehphp 5y agoI thought this was a terrible idea until I realized that other states are already doing it without any problems.
- herodotus 5y agoNo problems? Look at the science. https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14906 https://www.pnas.org/content/117/26/14906 "In a hypothetical situation in which there are 39,000 firearms deaths nationally under the permissive combination of these three laws, we expect 4,475 (80% CI, 1,761 to 6,949) more deaths nationally than under the restrictive combination of these laws."
- Grakel 5y agoAs usual the "science" on this issue is garbage politics. Gun violence by legal gun owners is statistically near zero despite owning hundreds of millions of guns in the US.
- igetspam 5y agoBut our state government is bought and paid for by church and guns. The governor shamed us for buying fewer guns than California: https://www.statesman.com/news/20171106/in-15-greg-abbott-embarrassed-texans-bought-fewer-guns-than-others https://www.statesman.com/news/20171106/in-15-greg-abbott-em... We're trying to get more guns in more hands and we've lowered the bar. This isn't about rights. Abbot seems to generally want to kill us, by any means necessary.
- chmod600 5y agoThis is an interesting chance to support or refute the theory you cite. Watch the homicide rate in TX over the next five years and see if it goes up 11% (maybe after adjusting for national/regional chnages) or not.
- chmod600 5y agoFor a study like this, I would expect some connection between the mechanisms and the results. For instance, if carrying laws are changed, is there an associated change in the types of deaths that could plausibly be attributed to that (i.e. lawful carriers shooting people)?
- Grakel 5y agoCongratulations to Texas for joining the more than 20 states respecting both the natural right to arms and the Constitution's regulation on government interference with it. I wish they had enumerated many more specific rights not to infringe, but some of the most violated today were considered too obvious to merit specific attention. We're seeing a huge surge for protecting gun rights on the local and state levels, nationally.
- BrianOnHN 5y agoYeah, it's the same wave of people pushing "contraversal" voting laws at that level. Really something to be proud of /s
- Grakel 5y agoAbsolutely incorrect. Gun control is another racist policy meant to keep control over those the elites fear.
- pm90 5y agoSo is restricting voting
- _nicelaris_ 5y agoSo is voting
- frob 5y agoI'm curious to know which additional rights you want to be granted.
- Grakel 5y agoWell the Bill of Rights doesn't grant rights. It's a list of things the government can't do. I would start with stopping them from restricting property at all. Much less guns. Behavior should be regulated, not inanimate objects.
- jandrewrogers 5y agoIt should be pointed out that some other States have always operated this way with no discernible impact. The permitting process in most States is almost entirely pro forma -- if you can legally own a firearm then there generally isn't cause to deny a permit. In terms of increasing safety, permitting is largely a no-op.
- hirundo 5y agoThis is part of a larger trend. See the maps here of the changes in permitted carry since the 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry This GIF in particular makes that point clearly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#/media/File:Right_to_Carry,_timeline.gif https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry#/media/Fi... And if anything it has accelerated around the Covid pandemic: https://biostats.ucdavis.edu/health-news/newsroom/us-saw-surge-in-firearm-purchases-and-violence-during-first-months-of-covid-19-pandemic/2021/07 https://biostats.ucdavis.edu/health-news/newsroom/us-saw-sur... As the politics in this country have curved in a liberal direction, I'm quite surprised that gun control issues seem to have moved the other way. What can explain that?
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- post_break 5y agoPeople on both sides like to have options to protect themselves and family. So many new liberal gun owners these past few years with the pandemic, civil unrest, liberal president calling for bans and restrictions on everything. Conservatives welcoming new gun owners with open arms. I have heard from so many friends talking about their liberal friends asking what guns to buy.
- benjohnson 5y agoPerhaps it's the same trend. Citizens having control over arms is a classical liberal idea.
- post_break 5y agoThis helps eliminate a victimless crime. The criminals will still carry illegally and this bill actually upgrades the felony for those who are caught carrying who legally could not. Now someone who needs to carry who can't afford the overpriced classes, fingerprints, waiting for the state to mail you a card to give you your rights is gone. A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection, and either cant afford the other hurdles, or just can't make time to jump through all the hoops. Remember, we're not the first state to allow this, not even the top 10, permits continued to go UP in states that passed these laws, and crime did not go up.
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- procgen 5y ago"A lot of poor people need to carry a gun for protection" How utterly dystopian.
- post_break 5y agoIt's true though and has always been the case. Working odd hours not the usual 8-5, might not have a car so walking to work sometimes at night, living in heavy crime areas because it's affordable. I'm not projecting, just calling it like it is and why this bill is a good thing in the eyes of the people who don't even consider this sane.
- procgen 5y agoA gun wants to be used. Let's let it simmer a few more decades and see what happens.
- post_break 5y agoOk Vermont has had it for decades. You can be 16 years old and carry in that state. Resident and non-resident. Wait and see has passed.
- pm90 5y agoI’m curious about what parents from other states think of when considering moving to Texas. The priorities of the State Government seem to be mis aligned with the actual problems facing its people. This law in particular arguably both makes the state less safe and encourages a gun owning culture.
- SecurityMinded 5y agoYAY for Texas. One of the may reasons why I want to relocate there from this communist California. Nice job TX legislature...
- cirrus3 5y agoWelp. Add Texas to the list of US states I no longer give AF about.
- ykevinator3 5y agoPrayer should keep everyone safe.
- igetspam 5y agoUpvoting because I read this as tongue-in-cheek.