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> One very reputable public health specialist expects that the population will be decimated by at least 10-15 million by the time Covid is done with Myanmar. T

> One very reputable public health specialist expects that the population will be decimated by at least 10-15 million by the time Covid is done with Myanmar. The population is only 54 million. How could Covid possibly kill 15 million there!?

nend 5y ago
I won't comment on how they came up with that number or how accurate it is, but Covid won't be the only killer. As one example, people who have heart attacks aren't going to get prompt care either with the medical system overworked and over capacity. That was one of the goals of the lockdowns in the US. Keep the healthcare system operational for all the other responsibilities it needs to fulfill on top of pandemic response.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  Even if we shut down all medical facilities, 20% of the population dying is outlandish. Myanmar's circumstances excluded.
  - lebuffon 5y ago
    20% might be high but in the absence of oxygen support most people over 65..70 will expire if they stay sick longer than a week with this damned virus. I don't know the how big the senior population of Myanmar is but 10% is not unreasonable.
    - MaxBarraclough 5y ago
      According to a 2020 report, [0] the hospitalisation rate for over-80s is around 20%. The hospitalisation rate for over-65s will be far lower. [0] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-ove...
- nradov 5y ago
  In any given year very few people have heart attacks, or otherwise require advanced medical care to survive. So that would have only a miniscule impact on the overall death toll. Especially in a nation like Myanmar with a median age of only 29 years.
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kayodelycaon 5y ago
I assume most of those are from non-Covid medical emergencies that go untreated due to the entire medical infrastructure having collapsed.
- nradov 5y ago
  That would not be a valid assumption. Few people have medical emergencies each year.
slimsag 5y ago
Highly recommend this Asian Boss interview[0] for anyone who doesn't know what is going on in Myanmar. She talks about the military coup, how militants regularly shoot at civilians in their homes if they have their lights on at night, how people are starving and live grenades are randomly thrown into neighborhoods. It's a war zone. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbfY0Qcpos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbfY0Qcpos
gibrown 5y ago
Entirely speculation, but one reason I can imagine is that if everyone is sick at the same time then even basic nursing is not possible, and often just getting fluids into someone makes a giant difference. Has there been a place/time during the pandemic where millions got infected at once in a high density, poorer country?
secnono 5y ago
Easy, once the hospitals get overwhelmed nobody will be able to get hospital treatment. Everyone who needs to be hospitalized who isn't hospitalized WILL DIE. The hospitalization rate is about 20%. So right off the top we'll see about 6 million deaths. Everyone who is sick will be stuck at home with family members, entire households will get sick, and they will keep re-infecting each other because, doubly difficult is the fact that there are multiple variants being spread, so it's possible to get re-infected with a different variant, the immune systems of the sick are overwhelmed and compromised. We'll see entire households dying. This is where the death rates really start to climb, it wouldn't surprise me if we see 8-9 Million deaths from this group. Combine COVID with other illnesses and you get very high death rates. Because Myanmar will be acting like a petri dish we'll start to see all kinds of variants get spawned, we could end up with a version the burns itself out. We could get a version that has 10-12 day incubation period where people are asymptomatic but that has a 50-80% death rate, a version like this could sweep back through the world with devastating effects. Because some people are vaccinated and the vaccine is only 90% effective, we'll see people who are vaccinated who get sick. One of the variants could end up not be prevented by the vaccine, and that version could boomerang back through the world. A lot of really bad things are possible.
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  The hispitalization rate is not 20% aside from the extremely elderly. It is <1% for those under 30. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hosp... Mutation is always a risk, but another 25 million isn't a substantial increase in infected. There have already been 1-2+ billion infections globally, and 100+ million in the USA. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Edited to update hospitzation rate.
bArray 5y ago
> > One very reputable public health specialist expects that the population will be decimated by at least 10-15 million by the time Covid is done with Myanmar. > The population is only 54 million. How could Covid possibly kill 15 million there!? I think this number could end up being 'accurate' for many reasons: * Their medical system is entirely overloaded. Dead people are simply being left in homes in Myanmar and people are being told to wrap them in cling film and try to keep them cold. The result of dead people in homes and streets will be more deaths from contamination. * There isn't any oxygen for most people, and the methods they are telling each other to try are just insane. They are sharing information on Facebook about using tea and rice to prevent COVID, as well as using steam to 'burn it out' of the lungs. In desperation, people are more likely to try something crazy than to not try anything at all, as the act of 'trying' makes them believe they are helping. * The military have vaccinated all of their soldiers, and only the close family of the soldiers (who would take it). Despite this, tonnes of their soldiers are now coming down with COVID within the ranks. I suspect this is because the military have been getting their vaccine supply from China, which has shown low-efficacy. (The 'samples' show high efficacy, but tested vaccines from batches have been incredibly low. Apparently China have been mixing their vaccine with foreign vaccines to bring up efficacy.) * The military are literally just walking into houses and shooting everybody in there if they suspect they have any involvement in a series of bombings and road blocks. They are likely marking these as 'COVID deaths' so that they do not need to report they are killing people on the world stage, and to avoid local push-back. There is also the added bonus that they can receive global funding pretty much unchallenged for 'COVID relief'.

nend 5y ago

I won't comment on how they came up with that number or how accurate it is, but Covid won't be the only killer. As one example, people who have heart attacks aren't going to get prompt care either with the medical system overworked and over capacity. That was one of the goals of the lockdowns in the US. Keep the healthcare system operational for all the other responsibilities it needs to fulfill on top of pandemic response.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
Even if we shut down all medical facilities, 20% of the population dying is outlandish. Myanmar's circumstances excluded.
- lebuffon 5y ago
  20% might be high but in the absence of oxygen support most people over 65..70 will expire if they stay sick longer than a week with this damned virus. I don't know the how big the senior population of Myanmar is but 10% is not unreasonable.
  - MaxBarraclough 5y ago
    According to a 2020 report, [0] the hospitalisation rate for over-80s is around 20%. The hospitalisation rate for over-65s will be far lower. [0] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-ove...
nradov 5y ago
In any given year very few people have heart attacks, or otherwise require advanced medical care to survive. So that would have only a miniscule impact on the overall death toll. Especially in a nation like Myanmar with a median age of only 29 years.
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kayodelycaon 5y ago

I assume most of those are from non-Covid medical emergencies that go untreated due to the entire medical infrastructure having collapsed.

nradov 5y ago
That would not be a valid assumption. Few people have medical emergencies each year.

slimsag 5y ago

Highly recommend this Asian Boss interview[0] for anyone who doesn't know what is going on in Myanmar. She talks about the military coup, how militants regularly shoot at civilians in their homes if they have their lights on at night, how people are starving and live grenades are randomly thrown into neighborhoods. It's a war zone. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbfY0Qcpos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbfY0Qcpos

gibrown 5y ago

Entirely speculation, but one reason I can imagine is that if everyone is sick at the same time then even basic nursing is not possible, and often just getting fluids into someone makes a giant difference. Has there been a place/time during the pandemic where millions got infected at once in a high density, poorer country?

secnono 5y ago

Easy, once the hospitals get overwhelmed nobody will be able to get hospital treatment. Everyone who needs to be hospitalized who isn't hospitalized WILL DIE. The hospitalization rate is about 20%. So right off the top we'll see about 6 million deaths. Everyone who is sick will be stuck at home with family members, entire households will get sick, and they will keep re-infecting each other because, doubly difficult is the fact that there are multiple variants being spread, so it's possible to get re-infected with a different variant, the immune systems of the sick are overwhelmed and compromised. We'll see entire households dying. This is where the death rates really start to climb, it wouldn't surprise me if we see 8-9 Million deaths from this group. Combine COVID with other illnesses and you get very high death rates. Because Myanmar will be acting like a petri dish we'll start to see all kinds of variants get spawned, we could end up with a version the burns itself out. We could get a version that has 10-12 day incubation period where people are asymptomatic but that has a 50-80% death rate, a version like this could sweep back through the world with devastating effects. Because some people are vaccinated and the vaccine is only 90% effective, we'll see people who are vaccinated who get sick. One of the variants could end up not be prevented by the vaccine, and that version could boomerang back through the world. A lot of really bad things are possible.

s1artibartfast 5y ago
The hispitalization rate is not 20% aside from the extremely elderly. It is <1% for those under 30. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hosp... Mutation is always a risk, but another 25 million isn't a substantial increase in infected. There have already been 1-2+ billion infections globally, and 100+ million in the USA. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Edited to update hospitzation rate.

bArray 5y ago

> > One very reputable public health specialist expects that the population will be decimated by at least 10-15 million by the time Covid is done with Myanmar. > The population is only 54 million. How could Covid possibly kill 15 million there!? I think this number could end up being 'accurate' for many reasons: * Their medical system is entirely overloaded. Dead people are simply being left in homes in Myanmar and people are being told to wrap them in cling film and try to keep them cold. The result of dead people in homes and streets will be more deaths from contamination. * There isn't any oxygen for most people, and the methods they are telling each other to try are just insane. They are sharing information on Facebook about using tea and rice to prevent COVID, as well as using steam to 'burn it out' of the lungs. In desperation, people are more likely to try something crazy than to not try anything at all, as the act of 'trying' makes them believe they are helping. * The military have vaccinated all of their soldiers, and only the close family of the soldiers (who would take it). Despite this, tonnes of their soldiers are now coming down with COVID within the ranks. I suspect this is because the military have been getting their vaccine supply from China, which has shown low-efficacy. (The 'samples' show high efficacy, but tested vaccines from batches have been incredibly low. Apparently China have been mixing their vaccine with foreign vaccines to bring up efficacy.) * The military are literally just walking into houses and shooting everybody in there if they suspect they have any involvement in a series of bombings and road blocks. They are likely marking these as 'COVID deaths' so that they do not need to report they are killing people on the world stage, and to avoid local push-back. There is also the added bonus that they can receive global funding pretty much unchallenged for 'COVID relief'.