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That's about the aesthetics for the art/visions. Not a goal how the world has to look.

• Animats 5y ago
  Right. Like the Chobani commercial.[1] [1] https://youtu.be/MS-sJQkr0H4 https://youtu.be/MS-sJQkr0H4
  • omnibrain 5y ago
    The production company posted an extended cut on twitter: https://twitter.com/thelinestudio/status/1413543900862627842 https://twitter.com/thelinestudio/status/1413543900862627842
  • omnibrain 5y ago
    Looks like corporate greenwashing. It actually has some nice aspects. The windmill zeppelins are unlikely to work, but the drones and harvest machine hint to some (advanced) mechanization in producing crops, so no unrealistic "we do everything by hand, even when we can only support like 10% of the population this way".
    • shkkmo 5y ago
      It seems pretty clear to me that high labor farming can use land area and water more efficiently per unit of food produced.
      • Animats 5y ago
        Mechanization of agriculture has generally increased yields per unit area. By a lot. This kind of futurism is solving the problems people thought would be important a few decades back - overpopulation, insufficient food supply, declining energy sources, and nuclear war. Instead, we have population leveling off and declining in many areas, obesity, cheap solar and wind, and no use of nuclear weapons for 75 years. But we have a big problem with climate change, parliamentary democracy keeps deadlocking, and better communications led to each group of nuts finding soulmates and becoming a faction.
        • shkkmo 5y ago
          Do you have a source for that? My understanding is that irrigation, fertization and genetic improvements are what increased yields per unit area. All mechanization does is reduce labor costs. I would love to know what exactly you think mechanization itself does to improve yields.
          • Animats 5y ago
            Just as an example, here's a video of a field full of rocks in New England being prepped for planting.[1] Farming is not just planting and harvesting. There's tilling and plowing. Both of which are hard to do well in poor soils and need power to drive steel through soil. Mules and oxen just don't put out that much power. Humans even less. [1] https://youtu.be/3BfUsEGSSTg https://youtu.be/3BfUsEGSSTg
    • varjag 5y ago
      I kept seeing heavy-looking flying drones with nondescript propulsion method and thinking how much energy it takes keeping them hovering in the air.
      • Aeolun 5y ago
        Imagining some serious improvement in battery capacity or drone propulsion tech in the next 20 years does not seem super far fetched, and this video is probably looking more at 100 year span.
        • varjag 5y ago
          The gravity will remain the same in 100 years span so hauling agricultural loads with a drone will require same (rather enormous) energy expense. Since the video shows some tiny-ass wind turbines on generation side this is rather doubtful. (I do realize that am nitpicking on a marketing video here)
          • Animats 5y ago
            (I do realize that am nitpicking on a marketing video here) Yes, but it's a generic problem with "green" advertising. Sierra Club image of wind farm.[1] Real world wind farm.[2] Wind and solar started beating Big Oil when they became Big Wind and Big Solar. [1] https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/www.sierraclub.org/files/styles/flexslider_full/public/sierra/articles/big/Illo-green-wind-turbines-farm-SteveGraham.jpg https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/www.sierraclub.org/files/st... [2] https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/aerial-view-wind-turbines-spreading-over-desert-palm-springs-farm-generating-electricity-huge-array-gigantic-california-150527772.jpg https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/aerial-view-wind-turbines-sp...
            • Aeolun 5y ago
              This is mostly because we don’t have small wind farms everywhere. We have one really huge one in a central location. I feel like solarpunk leans more towards decentralization.