3 ms·

That's why I hope that the pi 5 has built-on ssd storage + m.2 slot and gets a significant performance boost to come more close to M1 speeds.

the_biot 5y ago
The point is that the Raspberry Pi -- any version -- has always been underpowered and overhyped. Wishing for the next version to be better is nonsense. Pick any recent SBC, and it'll be better bang for the buck. This has been true every since the first RPi.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  The real power of the pi is not computing prowess but price and access to hardware.
- hutrdvnj 5y ago
  I think you underestimate community support. Other SBCs have no where near as much community support as pi has. There are so many things you can do with the pi, thx to community efforts, that it is not worth (in many cases) to switch to a less supported but more powerful SBC. And there are an ever increasing number of pi hats, that allows you extend pis possibilities for your use-case. To get some inspiration I can recommend https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog
  - agumonkey 5y ago
    parent wasn't comparing rpis to smaller/worse products I think
  - imtringued 5y ago
    Other SBCs are starting to catch up now that there are opensource drivers for ARM GPUs. Once all the drivers are in place the raspberry pis is actually an evolutionary dead end because of its video core based architecture. They'll have to redo the RPi 5 SoC entirely and probably get rid of 32bit raspbian.
- rualca 5y ago
  > The point is that the Raspberry Pi -- any version -- has always been underpowered and overhyped. This sort of comment is extremely short-sighted and totally oblivious to . A raspberry pi was always, from the very first day, an inexpensive (even expendable) ubiquitous computing platform aimed at being the infrastructure for educational projects. Do you want to toy around with a robot? You spend 20 or 30€, a few actuators, perhaps a camera, slap in some python code, and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with LEDs to make them blink? You spend 20 or 30€, add a few LEDs, slap some python code and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with distributed systems? You spend 60 or 80€ on three or four RPIs, plug them into a router and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with wifi mesh networks? You spend 60 or 80€ on three or four RPIs, configure them, and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with a media center? You spend 20 or 30€ on a RPI, configure it, and you're good to go. What´s the common denominator? Enough pocket money to get your hands on a RPI, and you do not care that it gets blown up because you can get another one just as easily. Raspberri Pis flatten the learning curve to the point where kids in middleschool can go at it without any concern. It's just a computer running linux that does not have to deal with arcane devkits or resource constraints. Do you know what would cost to do the same thing prior to Raspberry Pi creating this whole sector? Between 300 and 500€ for a single devboard with similar spects.
  - flyinghamster 5y ago
    Well said. Yes, the Raspberry Pi family has its foibles, but let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. (My main beef: the techbro "let's change your configuration behind your back" shenanigans with the Microsoft repository, but that's a software thing.) They've been upfront about their educational mission since day one, and it's just a bonus that it took off with hobbyists. On the other hand, the widespread hobbyist adoption is undoubtedly a big factor in its success. If nothing else, it gave ARM board makers a boot in the behind and got them to build boards that don't cost an arm and a leg. We wouldn't have sub-$100 Jetson Nanos if the Pi hadn't blazed a trail.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    > You spend 60 or 80€ on three or four RPIs, No. I agree with you that the RPI is a great experiment board, but usually you don't get them for below 30€ (20 for the zeros). Then you need an SD card (10€) and probably power supply. Add on a case and some electronics if you're fancy, then add 5€ shipping. I like the RPi, don't get me wrong. But something like a RPI cluster easily ends up in the 150-200€ range, even in it's most minimal form. The GP is right that, unless you're going specifically for having a cluster or GPIO, other options are simply more performance for your money.
Havoc 5y ago
> to come more close to M1 speeds. M1 is on 5nm tech while Rpi4 is on 28nm. i.e. multiple chip nodes behind. Still..could be close depending on how far out the rpi5 is

the_biot 5y ago

The point is that the Raspberry Pi -- any version -- has always been underpowered and overhyped. Wishing for the next version to be better is nonsense. Pick any recent SBC, and it'll be better bang for the buck. This has been true every since the first RPi.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
The real power of the pi is not computing prowess but price and access to hardware.
hutrdvnj 5y ago
I think you underestimate community support. Other SBCs have no where near as much community support as pi has. There are so many things you can do with the pi, thx to community efforts, that it is not worth (in many cases) to switch to a less supported but more powerful SBC. And there are an ever increasing number of pi hats, that allows you extend pis possibilities for your use-case. To get some inspiration I can recommend https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog
- agumonkey 5y ago
  parent wasn't comparing rpis to smaller/worse products I think
- imtringued 5y ago
  Other SBCs are starting to catch up now that there are opensource drivers for ARM GPUs. Once all the drivers are in place the raspberry pis is actually an evolutionary dead end because of its video core based architecture. They'll have to redo the RPi 5 SoC entirely and probably get rid of 32bit raspbian.
rualca 5y ago
> The point is that the Raspberry Pi -- any version -- has always been underpowered and overhyped. This sort of comment is extremely short-sighted and totally oblivious to . A raspberry pi was always, from the very first day, an inexpensive (even expendable) ubiquitous computing platform aimed at being the infrastructure for educational projects. Do you want to toy around with a robot? You spend 20 or 30€, a few actuators, perhaps a camera, slap in some python code, and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with LEDs to make them blink? You spend 20 or 30€, add a few LEDs, slap some python code and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with distributed systems? You spend 60 or 80€ on three or four RPIs, plug them into a router and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with wifi mesh networks? You spend 60 or 80€ on three or four RPIs, configure them, and you're good to go. Do you want to toy around with a media center? You spend 20 or 30€ on a RPI, configure it, and you're good to go. What´s the common denominator? Enough pocket money to get your hands on a RPI, and you do not care that it gets blown up because you can get another one just as easily. Raspberri Pis flatten the learning curve to the point where kids in middleschool can go at it without any concern. It's just a computer running linux that does not have to deal with arcane devkits or resource constraints. Do you know what would cost to do the same thing prior to Raspberry Pi creating this whole sector? Between 300 and 500€ for a single devboard with similar spects.
- flyinghamster 5y ago
  Well said. Yes, the Raspberry Pi family has its foibles, but let's not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. (My main beef: the techbro "let's change your configuration behind your back" shenanigans with the Microsoft repository, but that's a software thing.) They've been upfront about their educational mission since day one, and it's just a bonus that it took off with hobbyists. On the other hand, the widespread hobbyist adoption is undoubtedly a big factor in its success. If nothing else, it gave ARM board makers a boot in the behind and got them to build boards that don't cost an arm and a leg. We wouldn't have sub-$100 Jetson Nanos if the Pi hadn't blazed a trail.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  > You spend 60 or 80€ on three or four RPIs, No. I agree with you that the RPI is a great experiment board, but usually you don't get them for below 30€ (20 for the zeros). Then you need an SD card (10€) and probably power supply. Add on a case and some electronics if you're fancy, then add 5€ shipping. I like the RPi, don't get me wrong. But something like a RPI cluster easily ends up in the 150-200€ range, even in it's most minimal form. The GP is right that, unless you're going specifically for having a cluster or GPIO, other options are simply more performance for your money.

Havoc 5y ago

> to come more close to M1 speeds. M1 is on 5nm tech while Rpi4 is on 28nm. i.e. multiple chip nodes behind. Still..could be close depending on how far out the rpi5 is