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We aren’t talking about something as basic as truth and untruth. This is Integer and float vs malformed code. Misinformation is code. It’s designed to specifi

We aren’t talking about something as basic as truth and untruth. This is Integer and float vs malformed code. Misinformation is code. It’s designed to specifically take advantage of gaps in our society and spread in such a way that makes it harder to challenge it.

narrator 5y ago
Who would ever oppose scientific socialism? It is scientific. Thus, rejection of science is unscientific and should be prohibited. I call my organization the good people group. Who would oppose the good people group except the bad people group?
overdriventater 5y ago
You're proving ibbibby's point here
ironmagma 5y ago
Only for pretty creative definitions of misinformation. It could also be just, you know, wrong information.
- PixyMisa 5y ago
  Or indeed, correct information that contradicts an officially recognised position.
cnhajzwgz 5y ago
Wielding the baton of "misinformation", or in general, fear of falsehood/insecurity etc, to whack those who the ruling class disagrees with is also code designed to specifically take advantage of the gaps in a healthy bureaucracy and seize control over it in such a way that makes it hard to challenge it.
bigbluedots 5y ago
In a free society, people must be allowed the ability to discern for themselves which information is useful, true, or otherwise. We do not need a state or its proxies to tell us which information is correct.
- jasonzemos 5y ago
  Yes we do. It is only more important that the state is first correct, and doesn't persecute when either it or you are not.
  - concordDance 5y ago
    Well yes, if we had a perfect Oracle of Truth we wouldn't need the freedom to discuss and find out the truth. We don't and governments not only do not have such an Oracle, they cannot have such an Oracle due to the pressures on governments and the people that make them up preventing them from being unbiased (e.g. the tendencies for institutions such as government components to grow larger, defend their power and push to continue to exist).
- wwweston 5y ago
  > people must be allowed the ability to discern for themselves which information is useful Including people who run institutions like Google. If they can be compelled to disseminate content they think of as irresponsible, so can you.
  - fvdessen 5y ago
    Google has a monopoly on searching for information, which makes it as different to me as a nuclear bomb is to a butterknife. They need to play by different rules
    - wwweston 5y ago
      Not only does Google not hold a true monopoly on search (they hold top mindshare, but there are several other easily available search engines one of which I use frequently), this particular brouhaha is about hosting, not search, on which they don't hold anything that could even be reasonably confused with a monopoly.
      - unyttigfjelltol 5y ago
ibbibby 5y ago
No, this is bafflegab. You're creating what is at best a contrived, vague, and inaccurate metaphor to make a distinction without a difference between misinformation and falsehood, so that you will have a fig leaf to pretend that you are acting in an objective manner with clear delineations when banning information you don't like as "misinformation." Except you won't be doing the banning, and it's not going to end well for any of us after you help to give the people who will be doing it the power they want with rationalizations like this.
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inglor_cz 5y ago
"Misinformation is code. It’s designed to specifically take advantage of gaps in our society and spread in such a way that makes it harder to challenge it." Are you aware that ideas like abolition of slavery, civil rights or acceptance of gays had to spread precisely in the same way, through gaps in the contemporary societies that made harder to challenge them, often because open declaration of such ideas would mean major trouble for the speakers? Do you think that our current society is perfect in this regard and thus can suppress further functionality of such mechanisms without adverse consequences down the line? If not, better not touch the gaps.
overgard 5y ago
People can figure out the truth, and if they can't, we have bigger problems. I'd like to live in a world of common sense vs "elite" judgements The amazing thing about these super political fights is like 90% of people are on the sidelines going "what's wrong with both of you?" The people that always end up looking like idiots are the idealogues

narrator 5y ago

Who would ever oppose scientific socialism? It is scientific. Thus, rejection of science is unscientific and should be prohibited. I call my organization the good people group. Who would oppose the good people group except the bad people group?

overdriventater 5y ago

You're proving ibbibby's point here

ironmagma 5y ago

Only for pretty creative definitions of misinformation. It could also be just, you know, wrong information.

PixyMisa 5y ago
Or indeed, correct information that contradicts an officially recognised position.

cnhajzwgz 5y ago

Wielding the baton of "misinformation", or in general, fear of falsehood/insecurity etc, to whack those who the ruling class disagrees with is also code designed to specifically take advantage of the gaps in a healthy bureaucracy and seize control over it in such a way that makes it hard to challenge it.

bigbluedots 5y ago

In a free society, people must be allowed the ability to discern for themselves which information is useful, true, or otherwise. We do not need a state or its proxies to tell us which information is correct.

jasonzemos 5y ago
Yes we do. It is only more important that the state is first correct, and doesn't persecute when either it or you are not.
- concordDance 5y ago
  Well yes, if we had a perfect Oracle of Truth we wouldn't need the freedom to discuss and find out the truth. We don't and governments not only do not have such an Oracle, they cannot have such an Oracle due to the pressures on governments and the people that make them up preventing them from being unbiased (e.g. the tendencies for institutions such as government components to grow larger, defend their power and push to continue to exist).
wwweston 5y ago
> people must be allowed the ability to discern for themselves which information is useful Including people who run institutions like Google. If they can be compelled to disseminate content they think of as irresponsible, so can you.
- fvdessen 5y ago
  Google has a monopoly on searching for information, which makes it as different to me as a nuclear bomb is to a butterknife. They need to play by different rules
  - wwweston 5y ago
    Not only does Google not hold a true monopoly on search (they hold top mindshare, but there are several other easily available search engines one of which I use frequently), this particular brouhaha is about hosting, not search, on which they don't hold anything that could even be reasonably confused with a monopoly.
    - unyttigfjelltol 5y ago

ibbibby 5y ago

No, this is bafflegab. You're creating what is at best a contrived, vague, and inaccurate metaphor to make a distinction without a difference between misinformation and falsehood, so that you will have a fig leaf to pretend that you are acting in an objective manner with clear delineations when banning information you don't like as "misinformation." Except you won't be doing the banning, and it's not going to end well for any of us after you help to give the people who will be doing it the power they want with rationalizations like this.

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inglor_cz 5y ago

"Misinformation is code. It’s designed to specifically take advantage of gaps in our society and spread in such a way that makes it harder to challenge it." Are you aware that ideas like abolition of slavery, civil rights or acceptance of gays had to spread precisely in the same way, through gaps in the contemporary societies that made harder to challenge them, often because open declaration of such ideas would mean major trouble for the speakers? Do you think that our current society is perfect in this regard and thus can suppress further functionality of such mechanisms without adverse consequences down the line? If not, better not touch the gaps.

overgard 5y ago

People can figure out the truth, and if they can't, we have bigger problems. I'd like to live in a world of common sense vs "elite" judgements The amazing thing about these super political fights is like 90% of people are on the sidelines going "what's wrong with both of you?" The people that always end up looking like idiots are the idealogues