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Sounds like 'you are in your right to opt out of our policies if you disagree with an upgrade, it will immediately terminate all of your mining' And then sayin

Sounds like 'you are in your right to opt out of our policies if you disagree with an upgrade, it will immediately terminate all of your mining' And then saying that most people support you because only small percent of people opted-out

ascendantlogic 5y ago
How did you expect a decentralized, consensus-driven network to operate without some level of consensus? You think 1 node forks should be as viable as 10,000 node forks?
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cinquemb 5y ago
There are other evm compatible chains out there that people use: bsc, matic and avalanche c-chain come to mind. They all on some level opted out of some of the assumptions in go-ethereum.
strombofulous 5y ago
In think there's a subtle difference. A side effect of Bitcoin's rules is that people with more hashing power have a disproportionate amount of weight in deciding the future of the protocol. Eth solves this by putting a hard deadline on some replacement being chosen. This can be the current maintainer's updated fork, or it can be a fork someone made that's identical to eth today with the date pushed back a few more years.
- wmf 5y ago
  95% of Bitcoin miners voted to increase the block size and it didn't happen, but you're right about the benefit of the ice age.
  - uncletammy 5y ago
    A thousand times this
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    You mean 95% by people, not by mining capacity, presumably. How is that determined, do you have a reference?
    - rssoconnor 5y ago
      I don't know about 95%, but from https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/2x-or-no2x-why-some-want-hard-fork-bitcoin-november-and-why-others-dont https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/2x-or-no2x-why-some-wa... > Over 90 percent of miners (by hash power) are currently signaling support for SegWit2x.
    - elif 5y ago
      I believe he means 95% of miners and my memory tells me something similar. At a certain point it was only blockstream and their reddit who really opposed bigger blocks, and it turns out that is sufficient to stifle Bitcoin progress. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/New_York_Agreement https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/New_York_Agreement this was the era if you are looking to do research.
    - wmf 5y ago
      No, presumably I mean 95% of the hashrate which is the only thing that is measurable on-chain. https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0009.mediawiki https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0009.mediawi... https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0091.mediawiki https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0091.mediawi...

ascendantlogic 5y ago

How did you expect a decentralized, consensus-driven network to operate without some level of consensus? You think 1 node forks should be as viable as 10,000 node forks?

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cinquemb 5y ago

There are other evm compatible chains out there that people use: bsc, matic and avalanche c-chain come to mind. They all on some level opted out of some of the assumptions in go-ethereum.

strombofulous 5y ago

In think there's a subtle difference. A side effect of Bitcoin's rules is that people with more hashing power have a disproportionate amount of weight in deciding the future of the protocol. Eth solves this by putting a hard deadline on some replacement being chosen. This can be the current maintainer's updated fork, or it can be a fork someone made that's identical to eth today with the date pushed back a few more years.

wmf 5y ago
95% of Bitcoin miners voted to increase the block size and it didn't happen, but you're right about the benefit of the ice age.
- uncletammy 5y ago
  A thousand times this
- pbhjpbhj 5y ago
  You mean 95% by people, not by mining capacity, presumably. How is that determined, do you have a reference?
  - rssoconnor 5y ago
    I don't know about 95%, but from https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/2x-or-no2x-why-some-want-hard-fork-bitcoin-november-and-why-others-dont https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/2x-or-no2x-why-some-wa... > Over 90 percent of miners (by hash power) are currently signaling support for SegWit2x.
  - elif 5y ago
    I believe he means 95% of miners and my memory tells me something similar. At a certain point it was only blockstream and their reddit who really opposed bigger blocks, and it turns out that is sufficient to stifle Bitcoin progress. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/New_York_Agreement https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/New_York_Agreement this was the era if you are looking to do research.
  - wmf 5y ago
    No, presumably I mean 95% of the hashrate which is the only thing that is measurable on-chain. https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0009.mediawiki https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0009.mediawi... https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0091.mediawiki https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0091.mediawi...