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And 10 years later still no proper support for retina displays. I really think you should get your priorities straight.
by adius 5y ago
And 10 years later still no proper support for retina displays. I really think you should get your priorities straight.
- Jenk 5y ago> I really think you should get your priorities straight. The irony.
- floatboth 5y agoThere is a GTK3 backend now, hopefully that should make HiDPI work, support Wayland, etc. – depending on how it's implemented of course. Doesn't look like it's ready to handle all the UI (?) though – in the promo screenshot there's one GTK window on top of a more classic Pharo window (?)
- creamytaco 5y agoBecause GTK3 is so great on Linux, we should run it on macOS and Windows too... I don't know what they were thinking. As far as I can tell, Pharo UI history has been one bad (as in not pragmatic) decision after another.
- jhgb 5y agoIt's the MVP of native GUIs. Should a purely-Win32-based UI arrive later, the additional work would at least be validated and trailblazed by the first Gtk implementation. You can't expect a small set of people do everything at once just because you want them to.
- estebanlor 5y agoit doesn't yet support the whole IDE (because it has some other complications, we will solve in next release), but it supports application development with it.
- floatboth 5y agoCool. How does it work, is it 100% native widgets? Are there any platform specific (x11 etc.) things used?
- estebanlor 5y agoit works everywhere gtk3 works (we have production applications in windows, macOS and obviously linux)
- krageon 5y agoRetina displays don't matter because the majority of your users don't have them. Problem solved :)
- frou_dh 5y agoSurely most decent laptops being sold are HiDPI at this point?
- krageon 5y agoNot as far as I'm aware, no.
- qwerty456127 5y agoBut not real HiDPI. AFAIK Windows 10 just treats FullHD (1080p) as HiDPI and scales everything up to 125% by default but I always switch it back to 100% so I have reasonable screen space capacity. If the 13-inch displays were 4K that would be HiDPI.
- frou_dh 5y agoTraditional (~110 DPI, what Windows and MacOS were designed for) 13" resolution is 1280 or 1366. So 200% that is merely 2560+
- qwerty456127 5y agoOk, if it would be 2560 vertically on a 13" screen that's fair to consider it HiDPI but for 1280p on 15" this is questionable yet Windows does just this.I understand this is good for the vendors (who can claim they are selling you HiDPI - FullHD doesn't sound impressive enough anymore) and visually impaired people (that's actually great they are treated as the primary audience now). Perhaps this also is good as some sort of transition period so the technology gets introduced gradually while the screens still are not too dense and non-aware apps don't just become unusable instantly.
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- tinus_hn 5y agoIt could be the priorities of these unpaid volunteers that you are not paying for do not align with yours. I’m sure they would invite you to contribute your improvements.
- spinningslate 5y agoI'm sure they'd welcome your PR. Snarky? No. It's open source. If it doesn't have feature <X> then you're free to add it. It can simultaneously be the most important feature for you, and entirely irrelevant to other contributors. You're not prevented from adding it, as you would be in a closed source product. I'm sure you know all that but it bears refreshing. This is software that's free to use and free to modify. If you've an itch then you're at liberty to scratch it - just as other contributors are equally at liberty not to.
- mark_l_watson 5y agoPharo handles the Retina display on my new MacBook Pro just fine.