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Why do you single out the US? This is a worldwide problem.

by trompetenaccoun 5y ago

amelius 5y ago
The EU addresses the problem at least.
- ThalesX 5y ago
  They just released a legislature plan - already in temporary effect - that kinda allows private companies to spy on our non-end-to-end encrypted communication to combat child exploitation; this was a rushed vote with coercive elements. I think every country wants to monitor its citizens and those that have the technology actively do so. It is indeed responsible not to get fooled by marketing when those countries say they don't.
- junon 5y ago
  Hahaha, hardly. GDPR is good, but it doesn't stop the "privacy is dead" problem.
  - tremon 5y ago
    "privacy is dead" isn't a problem, it's a declaration of intent.
- shoto_io 5y ago
  But why? The real underlying reason might that we (the EU) don’t have large consumer Internet companies…
upofadown 5y ago
The USA is special in that there is no national law against the commercial exploitation of personal information. There is some state level legislation, but that can't help very much for this sort of thing.
- kube-system 5y ago
  No, the EU is special in that it does. The US is like most of the rest of the world.
  - pimterry 5y ago
    It looks like a surprisingly large number of countries actually have national GDPR-like laws either in place now or planned soon. For example: * Brazil: https://iapp.org/news/a/an-overview-of-brazils-lgpd/ https://iapp.org/news/a/an-overview-of-brazils-lgpd/ * Canada: https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/2020/12/24/canada-watch-out-gdpr-canada-proposes-strict-new-privacy-law-framework-backed-by-significant-fines02122020/ https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/2020/12/24/canada-watch... * India: https://hbr.org/2019/12/how-india-plans-to-protect-consumer-data https://hbr.org/2019/12/how-india-plans-to-protect-consumer-... * China: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=47e4d6ec-f5fe-40a2-92ae-aeb3d8cb88d2 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=47e4d6ec-f5fe... * Indonesia: https://www.dataguidance.com/notes/indonesia-data-protection-overview https://www.dataguidance.com/notes/indonesia-data-protection... * Japan: https://auth0.com/blog/the-new-japanese-privacy-law-what-businesses-need-to-know/ https://auth0.com/blog/the-new-japanese-privacy-law-what-bus... None are exactly the same, but each includes many similar constraints to the GDPR, notably for the GP's point: no processing of personal data without consent. Together with the EU, those easily cover more than 50% of the global population. I wouldn't be surprised if the US made an attempt at something similar soon. If not it feels like another area (see also: socialized healthcare, gun control, the metric system) where US norms could end up out of step with the rest of the developed world.

Why do you single out the US? This is a worldwide problem.

amelius 5y ago

The EU addresses the problem at least.

ThalesX 5y ago
They just released a legislature plan - already in temporary effect - that kinda allows private companies to spy on our non-end-to-end encrypted communication to combat child exploitation; this was a rushed vote with coercive elements. I think every country wants to monitor its citizens and those that have the technology actively do so. It is indeed responsible not to get fooled by marketing when those countries say they don't.
junon 5y ago
Hahaha, hardly. GDPR is good, but it doesn't stop the "privacy is dead" problem.
- tremon 5y ago
  "privacy is dead" isn't a problem, it's a declaration of intent.
shoto_io 5y ago
But why? The real underlying reason might that we (the EU) don’t have large consumer Internet companies…

upofadown 5y ago

The USA is special in that there is no national law against the commercial exploitation of personal information. There is some state level legislation, but that can't help very much for this sort of thing.

kube-system 5y ago
No, the EU is special in that it does. The US is like most of the rest of the world.
- pimterry 5y ago
  It looks like a surprisingly large number of countries actually have national GDPR-like laws either in place now or planned soon. For example: * Brazil: https://iapp.org/news/a/an-overview-of-brazils-lgpd/ https://iapp.org/news/a/an-overview-of-brazils-lgpd/ * Canada: https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/2020/12/24/canada-watch-out-gdpr-canada-proposes-strict-new-privacy-law-framework-backed-by-significant-fines02122020/ https://www.globalcompliancenews.com/2020/12/24/canada-watch... * India: https://hbr.org/2019/12/how-india-plans-to-protect-consumer-data https://hbr.org/2019/12/how-india-plans-to-protect-consumer-... * China: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=47e4d6ec-f5fe-40a2-92ae-aeb3d8cb88d2 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=47e4d6ec-f5fe... * Indonesia: https://www.dataguidance.com/notes/indonesia-data-protection-overview https://www.dataguidance.com/notes/indonesia-data-protection... * Japan: https://auth0.com/blog/the-new-japanese-privacy-law-what-businesses-need-to-know/ https://auth0.com/blog/the-new-japanese-privacy-law-what-bus... None are exactly the same, but each includes many similar constraints to the GDPR, notably for the GP's point: no processing of personal data without consent. Together with the EU, those easily cover more than 50% of the global population. I wouldn't be surprised if the US made an attempt at something similar soon. If not it feels like another area (see also: socialized healthcare, gun control, the metric system) where US norms could end up out of step with the rest of the developed world.