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well it's a good thing we have social safety nets then. because we do and that's exactly what they're for. side note: children are expensive and you probably s

well it's a good thing we have social safety nets then. because we do and that's exactly what they're for. side note: children are expensive and you probably shouldn't have them if you can't afford them

Dylan16807 5y ago
> well it's a good thing we have social safety nets then. because we do and that's exactly what they're for. Not very strong ones when it comes to raising children. > side note: children are expensive and you probably shouldn't have them if you can't afford them Well it's definitely not a living wage if you can't have a child.
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- gnarbarian 5y ago
  Is it a living wage if you can't afford a boat? This sounds like some serious scope creep to me.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Well it doesn't say anything about boats in the universal declaration of human rights... You really think having a child or two is scope creep for the basic things every person should be able to do in their life without financial ruin?
jrsj 5y ago
Well when I worked at McDonald’s my coworkers that had kids arguably had a higher standard of living than I did because of the government benefits, so maybe not
- gnarbarian 5y ago
  This is kind of like a fiscal cliff.
viraptor 5y ago
It's not a nice side note. Whether you can afford children or not can change (and permanently) from one day to the next. And you can't rely on the safety net being there - there's lots of situations where that fails.
wesleywt 5y ago
Main note: if you work full time you must be able to afford a child. It's a basic human need and absolute requirement for the future of country and economy. Developed countries like the USA and Japan are going into a crisis where there will be no workforce to pay for large aged population who can't work. Due to young people putting off having kids because they are desperate.
- gnarbarian 5y ago
  Stemming immigration would help keep entry-level wages higher.
  - AngryData 5y ago
    Immigration is the only reason we don't have negative population growth and a population demograph resembling Japan.
smt88 5y ago
> children are expensive and you probably shouldn't have them if you can't afford them Until the US has universal, free contraception (and education about contraception), as well as easy access to their constitutional right to an abortion, this is not a fair argument. Lots of people are actively misinformed about contraception in conservative public schools, and their access to abortion may be hindered by their state government. The end result is that some people accidentally have children, and society shares the consequences of that one way or another.
ornornor 5y ago
> well it's a good thing we have social safety nets then. because we do and that's exactly what they're for. Hahaha, yes the US is well known for its social safety nets. Like universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, or free contraceptives.
alkonaut 5y ago
Social safety nets necessary for people working full time? Thanks late stage capitalism.

Dylan16807 5y ago

> well it's a good thing we have social safety nets then. because we do and that's exactly what they're for. Not very strong ones when it comes to raising children. > side note: children are expensive and you probably shouldn't have them if you can't afford them Well it's definitely not a living wage if you can't have a child.

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gnarbarian 5y ago
Is it a living wage if you can't afford a boat? This sounds like some serious scope creep to me.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Well it doesn't say anything about boats in the universal declaration of human rights... You really think having a child or two is scope creep for the basic things every person should be able to do in their life without financial ruin?

jrsj 5y ago

Well when I worked at McDonald’s my coworkers that had kids arguably had a higher standard of living than I did because of the government benefits, so maybe not

gnarbarian 5y ago
This is kind of like a fiscal cliff.

viraptor 5y ago

It's not a nice side note. Whether you can afford children or not can change (and permanently) from one day to the next. And you can't rely on the safety net being there - there's lots of situations where that fails.

wesleywt 5y ago

Main note: if you work full time you must be able to afford a child. It's a basic human need and absolute requirement for the future of country and economy. Developed countries like the USA and Japan are going into a crisis where there will be no workforce to pay for large aged population who can't work. Due to young people putting off having kids because they are desperate.

gnarbarian 5y ago
Stemming immigration would help keep entry-level wages higher.
- AngryData 5y ago
  Immigration is the only reason we don't have negative population growth and a population demograph resembling Japan.

smt88 5y ago

> children are expensive and you probably shouldn't have them if you can't afford them Until the US has universal, free contraception (and education about contraception), as well as easy access to their constitutional right to an abortion, this is not a fair argument. Lots of people are actively misinformed about contraception in conservative public schools, and their access to abortion may be hindered by their state government. The end result is that some people accidentally have children, and society shares the consequences of that one way or another.

ornornor 5y ago

> well it's a good thing we have social safety nets then. because we do and that's exactly what they're for. Hahaha, yes the US is well known for its social safety nets. Like universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, or free contraceptives.

alkonaut 5y ago

Social safety nets necessary for people working full time? Thanks late stage capitalism.