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In my particular case, the rift is due to Rupert Murdoch's media outlets destroying my parents' logical reasoning ability coupled with a particular kind of boom

In my particular case, the rift is due to Rupert Murdoch's media outlets destroying my parents' logical reasoning ability coupled with a particular kind of boomer narcissism. For example, when I was young, my mom stayed home and raised me, fed me health foods, and gave me a head start on education. She was very loving and did a great job, really. These days, she screams at me and says she hopes Trump cancels my research funding because science is all a lie anyway. She didn't come up with that idea on her own. I think the detrimental effect of corporate and social media polarization cannot be underestimated. It is literally breaking up families.

polka_haunts_us 5y ago
For a politics shifted perspective of this, sometime late last year before prayer before meal, my mom was talking happily about how she hoped Jeff Bezos got the guillotine. Just before "Bless us O Lord and these thy gifts...", "Boy wouldn't it be funny if a mob necked Bezos". Her main news sources are Salon and Twitter threads of various left (Bernie or more) wing writers. I remember referencing the incident a couple months ago post Biden winning and she was like "The dinner table isn't an appropriate place to talk about this". I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense.
- queuebert 5y ago
  I didn't mean this to be one sided. It just happens that my parents were right wingers. Yes, it's happening on both sides.
  - tonyedgecombe 5y ago
    I suspect it's leaning more to the right for older generations.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  > I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense. TDS is very, very real and when paired with this whole covid thing it only got worse. Peoples deep issues with the last 4 years joined forces with media fear mongering to create a perfect storm resulting in what will be someday be looked back upon as a massive "social engineering" failure.
  - bendmorris 5y ago
    If you think extreme polarization and degradation of critical thinking is exclusively a problem of the other side, it probably applies to you as well.
    - spookthesunset 5y ago
      Oh dude… believe me I had TDS big time. Watching the last 17 months of medical fascism cured me of that real quick. Now I’m not on anybody’s team. There is a large group of people I used to know and respect that completely and literally lost their marbles this past year and a half. And I mean that in all sincerity… they are a shell of who they were before. Blindly listening to “experts” coupled with a visceral hatred for “the others” and intense, unexamined fear can land you in a very bad mental state. Question authority. All authority. Even “the experts”. Always. They do what they are incentivized to do, which often has nothing to do with what is in the best interest of society at large.
  - objectivetruth 5y ago
    _Some 23% of Republicans... say they agree with the baseless QAnon allegation that “the government, media and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex-trafficking operation.”_ Source: https://www.prri.org/research/qanon-conspiracy-american-politics-report/ https://www.prri.org/research/qanon-conspiracy-american-poli... By chance, do you have a comparably researched statement about how "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is "very, very real" that didn't come from a Twitter thread or YouTube video?
- helen___keller 5y ago
  > I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense. Just out of curiosity, would you say that this has ever happened to you? I'm asking because I also see many people around me going 'literally insane' (and yes, in both the 'left' and 'right' ways. Basically becoming consumed by some drip of outrage pieces and provocative online discourse). But I also recognize that I 'went insane' at one point too. Being a kid who grew up on the nascent internet, I became addicted to reddit when reddit first emerged, and I can look back to around the Occupy Wallstreet era when I became obsessed with rhetoric that was disconnected from my own lived experience, and repeated certain ideas that were often disconnected from reality or evidence. It pains me to see friends and relatives go through the same process. But I 'survived', and I do hope many others can too.
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  > I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense. Our current situation reminds me of the brain-eating computer on the book Diamond Age that somebody created to crack passwords. It's like a lot of people are simply gone, and some superconciousness too over their bodies, and it's on the controls 24/7. I still hope this reverses once the simplistic ideas get hit again and again by reality. Those groups are working very hard to shield themselves, but I imagine some portion of them must always be exposed to the real world.
  - queuebert 5y ago
    What an amazing analogy. I doubt there is a solution short of severe changes in how most people use the internet and media. Attention stealing apps and their consequent dopamine addictions seem to have killed rational thinking, so much that people will refuse to believe facts and evidence. It feels better to be part of a group that believes a thing than to process a conflict and adapt your worldview. Hmm, what else does that sound like? :-)
    - marcosdumay 5y ago
      > Hmm, what else does that sound like? You mean a religion? People host all kinds of superconcioussness, that's part of what we are. But it's not normal for some to be on the controls a lot of time. This is similar to religious zealotry, what is rather rare.
peteretep 5y ago
I’m sorry for you dude, that sucks
Floegipoky 5y ago
Big +1 to this. My parents weren't abusive at all, they love me and have always done their best. But my relationship with my dad is extremely strained- it was a strange and painful realization that I wouldn't associate with him, at all, if we weren't related. And it's entirely because of his radical right-wing beliefs, which have only escalated in the era of Trumpism. I've read accounts of older children during the rise of European fascism, seeing their parents consumed by bitter hatred until it destroyed everything in their lives except their devotion to the totalitarian state. I was prepared to deal with that. I have no blueprint to deal with a walking embodiment of the Southern Strategy- just complete and utter denial of the core tenets of what they support.

polka_haunts_us 5y ago

For a politics shifted perspective of this, sometime late last year before prayer before meal, my mom was talking happily about how she hoped Jeff Bezos got the guillotine. Just before "Bless us O Lord and these thy gifts...", "Boy wouldn't it be funny if a mob necked Bezos". Her main news sources are Salon and Twitter threads of various left (Bernie or more) wing writers. I remember referencing the incident a couple months ago post Biden winning and she was like "The dinner table isn't an appropriate place to talk about this". I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense.

queuebert 5y ago
I didn't mean this to be one sided. It just happens that my parents were right wingers. Yes, it's happening on both sides.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  I suspect it's leaning more to the right for older generations.
spookthesunset 5y ago
> I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense. TDS is very, very real and when paired with this whole covid thing it only got worse. Peoples deep issues with the last 4 years joined forces with media fear mongering to create a perfect storm resulting in what will be someday be looked back upon as a massive "social engineering" failure.
- bendmorris 5y ago
  If you think extreme polarization and degradation of critical thinking is exclusively a problem of the other side, it probably applies to you as well.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Oh dude… believe me I had TDS big time. Watching the last 17 months of medical fascism cured me of that real quick. Now I’m not on anybody’s team. There is a large group of people I used to know and respect that completely and literally lost their marbles this past year and a half. And I mean that in all sincerity… they are a shell of who they were before. Blindly listening to “experts” coupled with a visceral hatred for “the others” and intense, unexamined fear can land you in a very bad mental state. Question authority. All authority. Even “the experts”. Always. They do what they are incentivized to do, which often has nothing to do with what is in the best interest of society at large.
- objectivetruth 5y ago
  _Some 23% of Republicans... say they agree with the baseless QAnon allegation that “the government, media and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex-trafficking operation.”_ Source: https://www.prri.org/research/qanon-conspiracy-american-politics-report/ https://www.prri.org/research/qanon-conspiracy-american-poli... By chance, do you have a comparably researched statement about how "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is "very, very real" that didn't come from a Twitter thread or YouTube video?
helen___keller 5y ago
> I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense. Just out of curiosity, would you say that this has ever happened to you? I'm asking because I also see many people around me going 'literally insane' (and yes, in both the 'left' and 'right' ways. Basically becoming consumed by some drip of outrage pieces and provocative online discourse). But I also recognize that I 'went insane' at one point too. Being a kid who grew up on the nascent internet, I became addicted to reddit when reddit first emerged, and I can look back to around the Occupy Wallstreet era when I became obsessed with rhetoric that was disconnected from my own lived experience, and repeated certain ideas that were often disconnected from reality or evidence. It pains me to see friends and relatives go through the same process. But I 'survived', and I do hope many others can too.
marcosdumay 5y ago
> I swear the last 4 years drove the vast majority of everyone insane, in a very literal sense. Our current situation reminds me of the brain-eating computer on the book Diamond Age that somebody created to crack passwords. It's like a lot of people are simply gone, and some superconciousness too over their bodies, and it's on the controls 24/7. I still hope this reverses once the simplistic ideas get hit again and again by reality. Those groups are working very hard to shield themselves, but I imagine some portion of them must always be exposed to the real world.
- queuebert 5y ago
  What an amazing analogy. I doubt there is a solution short of severe changes in how most people use the internet and media. Attention stealing apps and their consequent dopamine addictions seem to have killed rational thinking, so much that people will refuse to believe facts and evidence. It feels better to be part of a group that believes a thing than to process a conflict and adapt your worldview. Hmm, what else does that sound like? :-)
  - marcosdumay 5y ago
    > Hmm, what else does that sound like? You mean a religion? People host all kinds of superconcioussness, that's part of what we are. But it's not normal for some to be on the controls a lot of time. This is similar to religious zealotry, what is rather rare.

peteretep 5y ago

I’m sorry for you dude, that sucks

Floegipoky 5y ago

Big +1 to this. My parents weren't abusive at all, they love me and have always done their best. But my relationship with my dad is extremely strained- it was a strange and painful realization that I wouldn't associate with him, at all, if we weren't related. And it's entirely because of his radical right-wing beliefs, which have only escalated in the era of Trumpism. I've read accounts of older children during the rise of European fascism, seeing their parents consumed by bitter hatred until it destroyed everything in their lives except their devotion to the totalitarian state. I was prepared to deal with that. I have no blueprint to deal with a walking embodiment of the Southern Strategy- just complete and utter denial of the core tenets of what they support.