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Society which values work will outcompete the one which does not. You and people around you aren't the only ones on this planet, there are highly motivated peop

Society which values work will outcompete the one which does not. You and people around you aren't the only ones on this planet, there are highly motivated people elsewhere who will gladly put in effort to take your place.

ElViajero 5y ago
> who will gladly put in effort to take your place. That sounds completely alien to my experience. I go on vacation around 2 months a year. I work only the stipulated hours. And I have a great job, with great conditions, working with amazing people, learning things and having fun. This kind of mindset and approach to life gives me a peace of mind that allows me to have meaningful discussions, to mediate in disagreements and to not be too invested so I can easily adapt to new circumstances. Working "harder" just creates a tunnel vision, maybe is ok if your job is to sit in a chair and do nothing. But for any job that requires mind or body to be in shape, you need vacations and take it easy to perform at top capacity. On the other side if it really as you say and everything is about competition, then investing so much in just your job is going to make you lose at the rest of non-work competitions in live. But, I do not think that this is true.
mitjak 5y ago
why should we compete? what does "victory" amount to? i'd gladly give up winning in favour of some form of survival guarantee and freedom to choose work rather than require it for survival.
- heliodor 5y ago
  You're thinking of this from the wrong point of view. This is about evolution and dominance. A culture in which work is highly valued (even so far as at the expense of the individual) will expand and squeeze out other cultures. The same way a successful gene will reproduce and take over. Two excellent books that delve into this area are "Stumbling on Happiness" and "Sapiens".
  - mitjak 5y ago
    i think "evolution" is not some purely natural process that plays out separately from how we think. e.g. forming societies where we support and elevate each other instead of competing is also a potential evolutionary future. societies where whatever means are necessary _results_ in an evolutionary advantage will "win", not those who necessarily work harder. capitalism-driven competition is just gamification of exploitation and doesn't inherently lead to an evolutionary advantage. it's just one of many ways to get there.
benhurmarcel 5y ago
> Society which values work will outcompete the one which does not. Why should one care about helping one "society" at the expense of another? > there are highly motivated people elsewhere who will gladly put in effort to take your place If I already have enough to be happy they're welcome to do so.
dimnsionofsound 5y ago
Outcompete in what sense? Certainly more working can lead to more of something, but I’m not sure we all agree on what that something is, and whether or not all of it is valuable (or even whether a significant amount is something to avoid).
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ElViajero 5y ago

> who will gladly put in effort to take your place. That sounds completely alien to my experience. I go on vacation around 2 months a year. I work only the stipulated hours. And I have a great job, with great conditions, working with amazing people, learning things and having fun. This kind of mindset and approach to life gives me a peace of mind that allows me to have meaningful discussions, to mediate in disagreements and to not be too invested so I can easily adapt to new circumstances. Working "harder" just creates a tunnel vision, maybe is ok if your job is to sit in a chair and do nothing. But for any job that requires mind or body to be in shape, you need vacations and take it easy to perform at top capacity. On the other side if it really as you say and everything is about competition, then investing so much in just your job is going to make you lose at the rest of non-work competitions in live. But, I do not think that this is true.

mitjak 5y ago

why should we compete? what does "victory" amount to? i'd gladly give up winning in favour of some form of survival guarantee and freedom to choose work rather than require it for survival.

heliodor 5y ago
You're thinking of this from the wrong point of view. This is about evolution and dominance. A culture in which work is highly valued (even so far as at the expense of the individual) will expand and squeeze out other cultures. The same way a successful gene will reproduce and take over. Two excellent books that delve into this area are "Stumbling on Happiness" and "Sapiens".
- mitjak 5y ago
  i think "evolution" is not some purely natural process that plays out separately from how we think. e.g. forming societies where we support and elevate each other instead of competing is also a potential evolutionary future. societies where whatever means are necessary _results_ in an evolutionary advantage will "win", not those who necessarily work harder. capitalism-driven competition is just gamification of exploitation and doesn't inherently lead to an evolutionary advantage. it's just one of many ways to get there.

benhurmarcel 5y ago

> Society which values work will outcompete the one which does not. Why should one care about helping one "society" at the expense of another? > there are highly motivated people elsewhere who will gladly put in effort to take your place If I already have enough to be happy they're welcome to do so.

dimnsionofsound 5y ago

Outcompete in what sense? Certainly more working can lead to more of something, but I’m not sure we all agree on what that something is, and whether or not all of it is valuable (or even whether a significant amount is something to avoid).

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