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Pretty simple explanation, they let the clearly copyright infringing content in to their walled-garden under safe harbour protections, but allowing download is

Pretty simple explanation, they let the clearly copyright infringing content in to their walled-garden under safe harbour protections, but allowing download is contributory infringement with distribution and there's no hiding from that as they can clearly easily prevent it (as they have). Super hypocritical? Sure. Understandable? Also a yes.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Apollo, one of the best mobile clients for Reddit (highlighted by Apple in the App Store), allows direct download of media from Reddit. If Reddit forces this, I assume browser extensions are the next step that they can’t mitigate. If the browser needs to play it, it can be ripped.
- monocasa 5y ago
  Can they enforce DRM on the videos through EME?
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Maybe, depends on the amount of effort they want to put into it. Right now, if I recall, they're just dumping the uploaded content into an S3 bucket and serving it back out (reddit-uploaded-media.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com).
    - monocasa 5y ago
      I was pretty sure that they at least transcode it currently. At that point encrypting isn't a big deal.
- that_guy_iain 5y ago
  > If Reddit forces this, I assume browser extensions are the next step that they can’t mitigate. If the browser needs to play it, it can be ripped. I assume from a legal point of view that is a-ok. They can't do anything about it therefore they can't be expected to do anything about it.
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oehpr 5y ago
It really chafes me that that somehow "looking at a video on a computer" managed to find itself legally distinct from "downloading it".
- superkuh 5y ago
  It's one of the more impressive mass delusions lawyers have managed to impose on modern society. Somehow if you call downloading something "streaming" and promise to delete it it is no longer downloading.
  - pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    The lawyers are happy to play along but it seems more like "media mega-corps have bought politicians to impose on modern society". My own personal views, of course.
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  They are only similar in a technical sense. The legal distinction is important because when someone views a video, there retain more of their legal rights - they can stop hosting it, for one, and people can't watch it. When you download the video, you are asserting more control over it than the legal system believes you should have.
  - oehpr 5y ago
    They're similar in an actual sense. The pretty little UI in front of us is a facade for the reality of events. Having a legal framework that rests atop the foundations of a delusion is absolutely something we should chafe at, and not just accept. Our society needs to come to terms with the reality that you can not just "show" someone a piece of information such that they no longer have it. We can't "move" information such that one party now has it and the other does not. And we should not provide legitimacy nor legal protections to the idea that some byzantian DRM encryption scheme can "hide the message" from the person who is receiving the message. All of these gymnastics just to fit old square ideas into new round internet holes. It chafes me and it should chafe you that we have wasted all this effort on delusions.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

Apollo, one of the best mobile clients for Reddit (highlighted by Apple in the App Store), allows direct download of media from Reddit. If Reddit forces this, I assume browser extensions are the next step that they can’t mitigate. If the browser needs to play it, it can be ripped.

monocasa 5y ago
Can they enforce DRM on the videos through EME?
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Maybe, depends on the amount of effort they want to put into it. Right now, if I recall, they're just dumping the uploaded content into an S3 bucket and serving it back out (reddit-uploaded-media.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com).
  - monocasa 5y ago
    I was pretty sure that they at least transcode it currently. At that point encrypting isn't a big deal.
that_guy_iain 5y ago
> If Reddit forces this, I assume browser extensions are the next step that they can’t mitigate. If the browser needs to play it, it can be ripped. I assume from a legal point of view that is a-ok. They can't do anything about it therefore they can't be expected to do anything about it.
- deleted 5y ago
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oehpr 5y ago

It really chafes me that that somehow "looking at a video on a computer" managed to find itself legally distinct from "downloading it".

superkuh 5y ago
It's one of the more impressive mass delusions lawyers have managed to impose on modern society. Somehow if you call downloading something "streaming" and promise to delete it it is no longer downloading.
- pbhjpbhj 5y ago
  The lawyers are happy to play along but it seems more like "media mega-corps have bought politicians to impose on modern society". My own personal views, of course.
edmundsauto 5y ago
They are only similar in a technical sense. The legal distinction is important because when someone views a video, there retain more of their legal rights - they can stop hosting it, for one, and people can't watch it. When you download the video, you are asserting more control over it than the legal system believes you should have.
- oehpr 5y ago
  They're similar in an actual sense. The pretty little UI in front of us is a facade for the reality of events. Having a legal framework that rests atop the foundations of a delusion is absolutely something we should chafe at, and not just accept. Our society needs to come to terms with the reality that you can not just "show" someone a piece of information such that they no longer have it. We can't "move" information such that one party now has it and the other does not. And we should not provide legitimacy nor legal protections to the idea that some byzantian DRM encryption scheme can "hide the message" from the person who is receiving the message. All of these gymnastics just to fit old square ideas into new round internet holes. It chafes me and it should chafe you that we have wasted all this effort on delusions.