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I agree with the pearl clutching part. Unless Tesla can state exactly how this fix is inferior to it's original design. Putting a brass nipple in a plastic pi

I agree with the pearl clutching part. Unless Tesla can state exactly how this fix is inferior to it's original design. Putting a brass nipple in a plastic pipe is a tried and tested process. The stated pressure is 2 psi, or max 5 psi during testing. 5 psi is about 3.5 meters of water column. So the pressure is equivalent to what you get in your home. The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff.

userbinator 5y ago
The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff. Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. This fix is only inferior to Tesla because it exposed a design flaw and removed their chance to massively overcharge for a tiny repair.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  > Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. Cries in England where domestic water can be as low as 10 psi and sometimes won't even reach the top of your house and you have to go downstairs to get water...
  - kumarvvr 5y ago
    You could use a booster pump + accumulator system to get constant pressure. Pretty cheap and easy to install. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booster+Pump https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booste...
    - londons_explore 5y ago
      Got one. It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump. It would just be better if the utility company supplied a decent pressure. But they don't want to do that because their pipes have thousands of leaks in, and the higher the pressure the more water leaks out. This is the problem of living in a place where most of the infrastructure is 200 years old.
      - a1369209993 5y ago
        > It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump. FWIW, the first bit means the pump is defective/badly designed and you need to get a better one (don't have any actionable advice on where, unfortunately), and the second should be fixable by putting the accumulator tank in the basement/hole in the ground, although YMMV on practicality.
        bbarnett 5y ago
        I am on a well, and have frequent power failures. I got tired of a small pressure tank, and thus no water without power. So I bought a 50 gallon one. Now I can take a shower in the morning, even without power. Not sure of the pump to use here, and I think we're discussing the same thing almost, but pressurizing the holding tank would be pump before vs pump after. It may provide a nicer experience? Not sure.
        a1369209993 5y ago
        Ah, yes, I was talking about a catchment tank (before the main pump; so the pump has water to pump) for the low-pressure input water. The pressure tank can be whereever.
        bbarnett 5y ago
        Hmm. So a catchment tank, then even a small pressure tank after, might give a very nice experience. And without power, the catchment tank would still be pressurized by the incoming water supply at 10psi, a nice fallback. Now we only need to obtain the contract. Profit!
        bbarnett 5y ago
        Even better, during war, calamity, or zombies, the catchment tank can provide for emergency water!
      - 5y ago
  - mnw21cam 5y ago
    That's pretty unusual in England. Most places I have tested have about 3-5 bar of pressure in the water main at the house tap.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    Ew.
toss1 5y ago
Yes, although I think it is about an order of magnitude less of a problem than that. My house runs at 60psi, +/-3psi, and I think it is pretty bog-standard for US plumbing. It's about 11m from the basement to the attic, and still needs decent pressure upstairs, so, yes, 2-5 psi is silly low pressure to worry about - it's only going to be a slow leak even while running, the only problem is if it runs out, for which I expect Tesla has a sensor. This repair is not some janky hack, it is more of an upgrade
- kumarvvr 5y ago
  Wow, 60 psi? Thats like 40 meters of head. So you must be using booster pumps to get the pressure. Never knew this. In India, 99.99% of all homes have gravity flow and static pressure, so except for very tall buildings, no one gets pressure more than 5 - 10 psi.
  - wtallis 5y ago
    40m doesn't seem at all surprising if you consider the height of a water tower built somewhere with higher elevation than most of the town. My house is 20m lower than the base of either of the two nearest water towers, at least one of which is ~75m tall. A few years ago, the town completed migrating one of the outlying areas with lots of new development into their central pressure zone, resulting in an increase by 45psi in those neighborhoods. Pressure reducing valves are used anywhere the pressure going into a home is above 80 PSI, and those are a lot more common than homes needing their own booster pumps.
    - kumarvvr 5y ago
      Sorry, for got to mention. Most of India does not have direct water connections. Most homes have borewells, storage tanks and intermitten municipal supply. So there is no direct line from local municipal water tower to homes.
    - RHSeeger 5y ago
      > Pressure reducing valves are used anywhere the pressure going into a home is above 80 PSI, and those are a lot more common than homes needing their own booster pumps My house has one of these, as the pressure would go up to 90 psi sometimes (iirc). Weirdly, my water pressure isn't consistent and can still burst to a "visibly from the tap" higher pressure for a few minutes at a time. I have no idea what causes it.
ineedasername 5y ago
They should also have to state how much the repair would cost if done at the factory where they can actually service the battery pack. Imagine if other cars were like that: "Sorry, we're not able to service engines so instead of replacing your timing belt for $400 you have to buy a new engine for $6000"
- dev_tty01 5y ago
  Yes, this is the correct analogy. TSLA is unable to do a reasonable repair so they should bear the extra cost
  - cja 5y ago
    You saved one keypress on the e but added at least two on the capital letters
    - Fantosism 5y ago
      Tesla and TSLA both require six keystrokes.
      - addicted 5y ago
        If you’re trading then TSLA is far more natural.
    - kyle-rb 5y ago
      If you're using the shift key, then "Tesla" is 6 keypresses whereas "TSLA" is only 4.5 (.5 since you don't technically have to release shift, which you can take advantage of in certain cases [0]). [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
    - ineedasername 5y ago
      You took 79 key presses to point that out. And here I am taking even more to respond. Clearly commenting is not based purely on a keypress-based economical model.
alien_ 5y ago
I'd probably compare it to patching tires or installing a replacement tire valve. The pressure in a car tire is around 2.5-3 bar, the bike tires go up to 4-4.5 bar.

userbinator 5y ago

The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff. Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. This fix is only inferior to Tesla because it exposed a design flaw and removed their chance to massively overcharge for a tiny repair.

londons_explore 5y ago
> Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. Cries in England where domestic water can be as low as 10 psi and sometimes won't even reach the top of your house and you have to go downstairs to get water...
- kumarvvr 5y ago
  You could use a booster pump + accumulator system to get constant pressure. Pretty cheap and easy to install. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booster+Pump https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booste...
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    Got one. It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump. It would just be better if the utility company supplied a decent pressure. But they don't want to do that because their pipes have thousands of leaks in, and the higher the pressure the more water leaks out. This is the problem of living in a place where most of the infrastructure is 200 years old.
    - a1369209993 5y ago
      > It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump. FWIW, the first bit means the pump is defective/badly designed and you need to get a better one (don't have any actionable advice on where, unfortunately), and the second should be fixable by putting the accumulator tank in the basement/hole in the ground, although YMMV on practicality.
      - bbarnett 5y ago
        I am on a well, and have frequent power failures. I got tired of a small pressure tank, and thus no water without power. So I bought a 50 gallon one. Now I can take a shower in the morning, even without power. Not sure of the pump to use here, and I think we're discussing the same thing almost, but pressurizing the holding tank would be pump before vs pump after. It may provide a nicer experience? Not sure.
        a1369209993 5y ago
        Ah, yes, I was talking about a catchment tank (before the main pump; so the pump has water to pump) for the low-pressure input water. The pressure tank can be whereever.
        bbarnett 5y ago
        Hmm. So a catchment tank, then even a small pressure tank after, might give a very nice experience. And without power, the catchment tank would still be pressurized by the incoming water supply at 10psi, a nice fallback. Now we only need to obtain the contract. Profit!
        bbarnett 5y ago
        Even better, during war, calamity, or zombies, the catchment tank can provide for emergency water!
    - 5y ago
- mnw21cam 5y ago
  That's pretty unusual in England. Most places I have tested have about 3-5 bar of pressure in the water main at the house tap.
- atatatat 5y ago
  Ew.

toss1 5y ago

Yes, although I think it is about an order of magnitude less of a problem than that. My house runs at 60psi, +/-3psi, and I think it is pretty bog-standard for US plumbing. It's about 11m from the basement to the attic, and still needs decent pressure upstairs, so, yes, 2-5 psi is silly low pressure to worry about - it's only going to be a slow leak even while running, the only problem is if it runs out, for which I expect Tesla has a sensor. This repair is not some janky hack, it is more of an upgrade

kumarvvr 5y ago
Wow, 60 psi? Thats like 40 meters of head. So you must be using booster pumps to get the pressure. Never knew this. In India, 99.99% of all homes have gravity flow and static pressure, so except for very tall buildings, no one gets pressure more than 5 - 10 psi.
- wtallis 5y ago
  40m doesn't seem at all surprising if you consider the height of a water tower built somewhere with higher elevation than most of the town. My house is 20m lower than the base of either of the two nearest water towers, at least one of which is ~75m tall. A few years ago, the town completed migrating one of the outlying areas with lots of new development into their central pressure zone, resulting in an increase by 45psi in those neighborhoods. Pressure reducing valves are used anywhere the pressure going into a home is above 80 PSI, and those are a lot more common than homes needing their own booster pumps.
  - kumarvvr 5y ago
    Sorry, for got to mention. Most of India does not have direct water connections. Most homes have borewells, storage tanks and intermitten municipal supply. So there is no direct line from local municipal water tower to homes.
  - RHSeeger 5y ago
    > Pressure reducing valves are used anywhere the pressure going into a home is above 80 PSI, and those are a lot more common than homes needing their own booster pumps My house has one of these, as the pressure would go up to 90 psi sometimes (iirc). Weirdly, my water pressure isn't consistent and can still burst to a "visibly from the tap" higher pressure for a few minutes at a time. I have no idea what causes it.

ineedasername 5y ago

They should also have to state how much the repair would cost if done at the factory where they can actually service the battery pack. Imagine if other cars were like that: "Sorry, we're not able to service engines so instead of replacing your timing belt for $400 you have to buy a new engine for $6000"

dev_tty01 5y ago
Yes, this is the correct analogy. TSLA is unable to do a reasonable repair so they should bear the extra cost
- cja 5y ago
  You saved one keypress on the e but added at least two on the capital letters
  - Fantosism 5y ago
    Tesla and TSLA both require six keystrokes.
    - addicted 5y ago
      If you’re trading then TSLA is far more natural.
  - kyle-rb 5y ago
    If you're using the shift key, then "Tesla" is 6 keypresses whereas "TSLA" is only 4.5 (.5 since you don't technically have to release shift, which you can take advantage of in certain cases [0]). [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    You took 79 key presses to point that out. And here I am taking even more to respond. Clearly commenting is not based purely on a keypress-based economical model.

alien_ 5y ago

I'd probably compare it to patching tires or installing a replacement tire valve. The pressure in a car tire is around 2.5-3 bar, the bike tires go up to 4-4.5 bar.