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Mate, your talking about a brass nipple being threaded into a broken plastic part to replace a plastic reducer that was [probably] poorly ultrasonic welded in p

Mate, your talking about a brass nipple being threaded into a broken plastic part to replace a plastic reducer that was [probably] poorly ultrasonic welded in place. What I see in the article is a common sense repair. Anyone who turns a wrench is laughing at the Tesla fanboy pearl clutching over this. Not an attack on your post btw, just a general statement that every Tesla owner comes out of the cracks in these posts and talks about how magical their cars are and how they are so advanced that no one could possibly understand them. The SAE has programs and industry standards on EV's- every other car manufacturer works with aftermarket shops. Teslas are not made of magic pixie dust and rainbows. The Gen1 tesla roadster was all Toyota parts. Their advanced motor technology is based on reluctance motors invented in the late 1800's. Tossing tcp/ip in your car as a bus [vs much better industrial protocols] and a vfd and calling something groundbreaking does not make it so. You should have access to the documentation and parts- I and many other gear heads will refuse to drive/own/buy any Tesla car until I can turn a wrench on it. How would you feel if I told you only Dell/HP should make computers because people make dangerous repairs that will allow hackers to attack systems? It's just as ridiculous when people make claims that fixing a busted fitting is a 'hack'. imho Tesla Autos are straight-up 'unauthorised bread'.

alrs 5y ago
Tesla stockholders, not Tesla owners, but yes.
- Larrikin 5y ago
  It took a while to realize irrational defenses of Elon Musk/Tesla and down voting nearly anything negative about either were tied to the large number of people here who have invested significant sums in the stock and not so much a cult of personality.
mulmen 5y ago
The Gen 1 Tesla Roadster was a license built Lotus Elise. The Lotus Elise had a Toyota motor, the Tesla was all electric, what other Toyota parts are you talking about? Did they also use Toyota accessories?
- sporf 5y ago
  The roadster was a “glider” (body minus powertrain) built on contract by Lotus, but it was not based on the Elise: it shared only a handful of parts with the Elise. https://www.tesla.com/blog/mythbusters-part-2-tesla-roadster-not-converted-lotus-elise https://www.tesla.com/blog/mythbusters-part-2-tesla-roadster...
  - mulmen 5y ago
    This is interesting. I had forgotten all the changes they made. It makes perfect sense, especially for the parts that can't be seen. I have a hard time saying it isn't "based on" the Elise because they look so similar but it's definitely more different than I suggested in my previous comment.
codeddesign 5y ago
This is a leased vehicle, meaning that “right to repair” is not associated at all unless you wish to break the lease agreement and owe BIG $$$. All leases are essentially like initial warranties. The dealer has to fix or your warranty goes invalid. This is a mute argument.
- alistairSH 5y ago
  Moot
- ineedasername 5y ago
  You're allowed to bring a leased car to any mechanic for repairs. You don't have to use the dealership, or even OEM parts if others are available. Or at least every lease agreement I've ever read-- and I always read the whole thing-- has never limited this. I'm in the US though, things may differ elsewhere. Also the correct word it moot, not mute. And neither apply in this situation, so the issue of mute is completely moot.
- mijamo 5y ago
  That is your opinion. Another way to see things is that if you have to pay for repairs you should be able to choose whatever method suits you. If Tesla wants to restrict repairs they can include all repairs in the leasing price. I would add that leasing is actually considered a temporary transfer of property in many legal systems. Just like if you rent a flat the owner cannot tell you to use only a certain company to paint it or do some repairs (expect of course the ones that are paid by the owner)
kumarvvr 5y ago
I agree with the pearl clutching part. Unless Tesla can state exactly how this fix is inferior to it's original design. Putting a brass nipple in a plastic pipe is a tried and tested process. The stated pressure is 2 psi, or max 5 psi during testing. 5 psi is about 3.5 meters of water column. So the pressure is equivalent to what you get in your home. The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff.
- userbinator 5y ago
  The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff. Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. This fix is only inferior to Tesla because it exposed a design flaw and removed their chance to massively overcharge for a tiny repair.
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    > Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. Cries in England where domestic water can be as low as 10 psi and sometimes won't even reach the top of your house and you have to go downstairs to get water...
    - kumarvvr 5y ago
      You could use a booster pump + accumulator system to get constant pressure. Pretty cheap and easy to install. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booster+Pump https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booste...
      - londons_explore 5y ago
        Got one. It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump. It would just be better if the utility company supplied a decent pressure. But they don't want to do that because their pipes have thousands of leaks in, and the higher the pressure the more water leaks out. This is the problem of living in a place where most of the infrastructure is 200 years old.
an_opabinia 5y ago
On the contrary the biggest critics of the car’s QA problems are the people driving them. It’s the people who don’t own them who say dumb shit.
lm28469 5y ago
> how magical their cars are They can make fart noises when you honk, find me another car that can do that /s
Chris2048 5y ago
> only Dell/HP should make computers When was the last time you insured your PC for 3rd-party damage?
toomanybeersies 5y ago
> How would you feel if I told you only Dell/HP should make computers because people make dangerous repairs that will allow hackers to attack systems? Yeah, that's pretty much what Apple, the Tesla of computer manufacturers, does.

alrs 5y ago

Tesla stockholders, not Tesla owners, but yes.

Larrikin 5y ago
It took a while to realize irrational defenses of Elon Musk/Tesla and down voting nearly anything negative about either were tied to the large number of people here who have invested significant sums in the stock and not so much a cult of personality.

mulmen 5y ago

The Gen 1 Tesla Roadster was a license built Lotus Elise. The Lotus Elise had a Toyota motor, the Tesla was all electric, what other Toyota parts are you talking about? Did they also use Toyota accessories?

sporf 5y ago
The roadster was a “glider” (body minus powertrain) built on contract by Lotus, but it was not based on the Elise: it shared only a handful of parts with the Elise. https://www.tesla.com/blog/mythbusters-part-2-tesla-roadster-not-converted-lotus-elise https://www.tesla.com/blog/mythbusters-part-2-tesla-roadster...
- mulmen 5y ago
  This is interesting. I had forgotten all the changes they made. It makes perfect sense, especially for the parts that can't be seen. I have a hard time saying it isn't "based on" the Elise because they look so similar but it's definitely more different than I suggested in my previous comment.

codeddesign 5y ago

This is a leased vehicle, meaning that “right to repair” is not associated at all unless you wish to break the lease agreement and owe BIG $$$. All leases are essentially like initial warranties. The dealer has to fix or your warranty goes invalid. This is a mute argument.

alistairSH 5y ago
Moot
ineedasername 5y ago
You're allowed to bring a leased car to any mechanic for repairs. You don't have to use the dealership, or even OEM parts if others are available. Or at least every lease agreement I've ever read-- and I always read the whole thing-- has never limited this. I'm in the US though, things may differ elsewhere. Also the correct word it moot, not mute. And neither apply in this situation, so the issue of mute is completely moot.
mijamo 5y ago
That is your opinion. Another way to see things is that if you have to pay for repairs you should be able to choose whatever method suits you. If Tesla wants to restrict repairs they can include all repairs in the leasing price. I would add that leasing is actually considered a temporary transfer of property in many legal systems. Just like if you rent a flat the owner cannot tell you to use only a certain company to paint it or do some repairs (expect of course the ones that are paid by the owner)

kumarvvr 5y ago

I agree with the pearl clutching part. Unless Tesla can state exactly how this fix is inferior to it's original design. Putting a brass nipple in a plastic pipe is a tried and tested process. The stated pressure is 2 psi, or max 5 psi during testing. 5 psi is about 3.5 meters of water column. So the pressure is equivalent to what you get in your home. The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff.

userbinator 5y ago
The piping is essentially house plumbing level stuff. Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. This fix is only inferior to Tesla because it exposed a design flaw and removed their chance to massively overcharge for a tiny repair.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  > Much lower pressure, actually - domestic water is supplied closer to 50-60psi. Cries in England where domestic water can be as low as 10 psi and sometimes won't even reach the top of your house and you have to go downstairs to get water...
  - kumarvvr 5y ago
    You could use a booster pump + accumulator system to get constant pressure. Pretty cheap and easy to install. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booster+Pump https://www.amazon.co.uk/Water-Booster-Pump/s?k=Water+Booste...
    - londons_explore 5y ago
      Got one. It's super noisy, the sound vibrates through all the pipes in the house, and sometimes the water can't even get as high as the inlet to the pump. It would just be better if the utility company supplied a decent pressure. But they don't want to do that because their pipes have thousands of leaks in, and the higher the pressure the more water leaks out. This is the problem of living in a place where most of the infrastructure is 200 years old.

an_opabinia 5y ago

On the contrary the biggest critics of the car’s QA problems are the people driving them. It’s the people who don’t own them who say dumb shit.

lm28469 5y ago

> how magical their cars are They can make fart noises when you honk, find me another car that can do that /s

Chris2048 5y ago

> only Dell/HP should make computers When was the last time you insured your PC for 3rd-party damage?

toomanybeersies 5y ago

> How would you feel if I told you only Dell/HP should make computers because people make dangerous repairs that will allow hackers to attack systems? Yeah, that's pretty much what Apple, the Tesla of computer manufacturers, does.