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Not to take away from what you're saying, I agree. I presume I'm in the minority of Canadians, but when the current government announced that new combustion veh

by neom 5y ago

Not to take away from what you're saying, I agree. I presume I'm in the minority of Canadians, but when the current government announced that new combustion vehicles would be banned in 2035, the only thing I could think is I need to vote for the green party. New sale combustion vehicles should be banned by ~2025, even if that means setting up crown corporations with tax dollars to deal with the infrastructure requirements. By 2035, it should be illegal drive one on public roads, period. At this point, I will only vote for people with a fully environment first platform, even at the expense of "bad" fiscal/economic policy for the country.

alexose 5y ago
I'm with you. Climate is the only issue I care about anymore. My home is Southwest Oregon, so it's just a strategic choice.
imtringued 5y ago
>I will only vote for people with a fully environment first platform, even at the expense of "bad" fiscal/economic policy for the country. For developed countries that have high productivity growth, falling demand as the population ages and low inflation you actually have to come up with random ideas to keep the population employed. It doesn't even matter what you do. You could let them dig holes and fill them. What's important is that the money goes to people who spend it. You know. Instead of letting the government be the investor of last resort, why not just introduce a carbon tax and carbon tariff and just let the private sector do all the investments? It would revitalize the economy far more than a bunch of trump style tax cuts. Green investments for climate change? Fuck that, let's save capitalism with green investments!
zamalek 5y ago
That's fantastic, and there needs to be more people like you. The problem I'm seeing is: > China isn't doing anything, so why should we? If the entire human race comes to an end, the last two gravestones will read: "the guy in the other grave is to blame."
- neom 5y ago
  Yes, it's infuriating isn't it? And it's not even true. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-china-the-main-climate-change-culprit/a-57777113 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-china-the-main-climate-c... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/16/next-china-trade-battle-could-be-over-electric-cars/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/16/next-chin... https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/10/01/worlds-largest-solar-plant-goes-online-in-china/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/10/01/worlds-largest-solar-...
  - zamalek 5y ago
    > World’s largest solar plant goes online in China And the irony is that such a power plant is an extreme strategic and economic resource. During wartime you no longer have to worry about how to import ever dwindling fossil fuels. During peace time, you have limitless negotiation power. Majority renewable energy would likely push a country into a realm that is far beyond a superpower. And China seems to have caught on to this - they have probably realized how much money they are burning while securing coal reserves around the world (e.g. Zimbabwe).
TheBill 5y ago
Have fun pitching your fellow Canadians on a massive regression in standard of living that hits your poor & first nations communities hardest while becoming a economic vassal state to the CCP, who literally does not give a fuck.
- arbitrary_name 5y ago
  That is not the option in front of us as voters, or as a nation. The poor and first nations communities have not been well served by the current paradigm, and in fact the best outcome for them is generally left leaning policy that actually honors seniority of water rights, enforcement of environmental laws, and policies that support critical first nations fisheries and other resources (stop damming salmon runs, displacing the tribes and selling the water and power to large corporate farmers would be a great start). It is the political right that has largely trampled the poor and first nations into the dust over the past decades, on both sides of that border.
- Cycl0ps 5y ago
  No one's saying it will be fun. They're saying it needs to be done
- Pokepokalypse 5y ago
  wait until climate-induced mass famine hits them. Literally no one is going to give a shit about languages, cultures, or nations when hundreds of millions are dying of starvation.

by neom 5y ago

alexose 5y ago

I'm with you. Climate is the only issue I care about anymore. My home is Southwest Oregon, so it's just a strategic choice.

imtringued 5y ago

>I will only vote for people with a fully environment first platform, even at the expense of "bad" fiscal/economic policy for the country. For developed countries that have high productivity growth, falling demand as the population ages and low inflation you actually have to come up with random ideas to keep the population employed. It doesn't even matter what you do. You could let them dig holes and fill them. What's important is that the money goes to people who spend it. You know. Instead of letting the government be the investor of last resort, why not just introduce a carbon tax and carbon tariff and just let the private sector do all the investments? It would revitalize the economy far more than a bunch of trump style tax cuts. Green investments for climate change? Fuck that, let's save capitalism with green investments!

zamalek 5y ago

That's fantastic, and there needs to be more people like you. The problem I'm seeing is: > China isn't doing anything, so why should we? If the entire human race comes to an end, the last two gravestones will read: "the guy in the other grave is to blame."

neom 5y ago
Yes, it's infuriating isn't it? And it's not even true. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-china-the-main-climate-change-culprit/a-57777113 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-china-the-main-climate-c... https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/16/next-china-trade-battle-could-be-over-electric-cars/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/16/next-chin... https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/10/01/worlds-largest-solar-plant-goes-online-in-china/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2020/10/01/worlds-largest-solar-...
- zamalek 5y ago
  > World’s largest solar plant goes online in China And the irony is that such a power plant is an extreme strategic and economic resource. During wartime you no longer have to worry about how to import ever dwindling fossil fuels. During peace time, you have limitless negotiation power. Majority renewable energy would likely push a country into a realm that is far beyond a superpower. And China seems to have caught on to this - they have probably realized how much money they are burning while securing coal reserves around the world (e.g. Zimbabwe).

TheBill 5y ago

Have fun pitching your fellow Canadians on a massive regression in standard of living that hits your poor & first nations communities hardest while becoming a economic vassal state to the CCP, who literally does not give a fuck.

arbitrary_name 5y ago
That is not the option in front of us as voters, or as a nation. The poor and first nations communities have not been well served by the current paradigm, and in fact the best outcome for them is generally left leaning policy that actually honors seniority of water rights, enforcement of environmental laws, and policies that support critical first nations fisheries and other resources (stop damming salmon runs, displacing the tribes and selling the water and power to large corporate farmers would be a great start). It is the political right that has largely trampled the poor and first nations into the dust over the past decades, on both sides of that border.
Cycl0ps 5y ago
No one's saying it will be fun. They're saying it needs to be done
Pokepokalypse 5y ago
wait until climate-induced mass famine hits them. Literally no one is going to give a shit about languages, cultures, or nations when hundreds of millions are dying of starvation.