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While interesting, this project does not seem ethically sound. Not to mention illegal. I think the author got lucky having the case dropped.

dannyw 5y ago
No charges were ever filled here.
- liamkinne 5y ago
  Ethics != legality
  - sellyme 5y ago
    The grandparent comment explicitly mentioned legality.
- garmaine 5y ago
  That's a different distinction.
- fnord77 5y ago
  reading through the FOIA document, LEO was very clear about which laws were broken.
  - dannyw 5y ago
    A charge being filed is a formal process in the legal system that has specific implications. In this instance, while a search warrant was executed, no charges were filed.
    - fnord77 5y ago
      I'm not claiming charges were filed. I'm claiming (and the docs claim) laws were broken.
paranoidrobot 5y ago
Yeah, this story is definitely burying the lede. The author installed software on computers in Apple Stores, without Apple's permission. That software took photos of visitors to the apple store, and transmitted it to the author. Definitely shady activity, and when the information about how the author got the photos - is entirely unsurprising that they were raided.
- deleted 5y ago
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- sellyme 5y ago
  > The author installed software on computers in Apple Stores, without Apple's permission They had at least some level of permission: > I saw people taking pictures inside all the time, so I just had to double check with an employee. [...] > We got situated in the store, double checked with an employee that it was ok to shoot video, and I triggered the slideshow
  - teptoria 5y ago
    this was about videoing the live reactions of people within the store at the time of the slideshow 'exhibition', not about installing the software/taking the webcam pictures
    - sellyme 5y ago
      That's the second quote, the first quote was about the software installation.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    he definitely wasn't honest about the extent of what he did - that isn't 'some level of permission' it's lying to an apple employee.
    - sellyme 5y ago
      Is there a statement from one of the involved employees that wasn't covered in the blog or is this pure speculation?

dannyw 5y ago

No charges were ever filled here.

liamkinne 5y ago
Ethics != legality
- sellyme 5y ago
  The grandparent comment explicitly mentioned legality.
garmaine 5y ago
That's a different distinction.
fnord77 5y ago
reading through the FOIA document, LEO was very clear about which laws were broken.
- dannyw 5y ago
  A charge being filed is a formal process in the legal system that has specific implications. In this instance, while a search warrant was executed, no charges were filed.
  - fnord77 5y ago
    I'm not claiming charges were filed. I'm claiming (and the docs claim) laws were broken.

paranoidrobot 5y ago

Yeah, this story is definitely burying the lede. The author installed software on computers in Apple Stores, without Apple's permission. That software took photos of visitors to the apple store, and transmitted it to the author. Definitely shady activity, and when the information about how the author got the photos - is entirely unsurprising that they were raided.

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sellyme 5y ago
> The author installed software on computers in Apple Stores, without Apple's permission They had at least some level of permission: > I saw people taking pictures inside all the time, so I just had to double check with an employee. [...] > We got situated in the store, double checked with an employee that it was ok to shoot video, and I triggered the slideshow
- teptoria 5y ago
  this was about videoing the live reactions of people within the store at the time of the slideshow 'exhibition', not about installing the software/taking the webcam pictures
  - sellyme 5y ago
    That's the second quote, the first quote was about the software installation.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  he definitely wasn't honest about the extent of what he did - that isn't 'some level of permission' it's lying to an apple employee.
  - sellyme 5y ago
    Is there a statement from one of the involved employees that wasn't covered in the blog or is this pure speculation?