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These were the most telling statement in that article for me: "[The] sexual and cultural revolution that began in 1963 or 1968... has ended and, as all revoluti

by hliyan 5y ago

These were the most telling statement in that article for me: "[The] sexual and cultural revolution that began in 1963 or 1968... has ended and, as all revolutionaries must do after storming the Bastille, they have built Bastilles of their own... No one would satirise the transgender movement today; no one would dare point fun at BLM, or Pride month; no one would dare joke about George Floyd" I'd like to think that what's preventing us from satirizing these things is just the "too soon" effect, rather than a sacredness.

readflaggedcomm 5y ago
I think it's neither. They are being satirized, and that work is blasted off popular platforms as hate speech.
- loopz 5y ago
  Satire of movements against active suppression, prejudice and unfairness, can be done, but will mostly be seen through the veil as a sort of bullying tactic, justifications and righteousness. Address the issues first, then we can joke about it over a beer.
- _trampeltier 5y ago
  I think the medium plays a role too. In real life I can laugh on some jokes because I know the people and I know is a joke and not serious. But even on the chatgroup from work, I know everyone well, I have a very thin skin in groupchats on jokes. And if I say something, often harsh comments comes back, about "censor" and "we can't even make jokes about". Often I think, I even could maybe laugh, if I heard the joke in person to person. Old movies is another example. Who ever saw the old, old Bond from the 60s Casino Royale. Bond goes in a bath tube with a 17 year old girl. That scene would never go today.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  The moral orthodoxy has shifted: > During those decades of social change, the problem of Left-wing “moral relativism” was often a complaint of conservative commentators, but look today at the young protesters demanding that “Rhodes must fall” or “black trans lives matters”. They certainly aren’t moral relativists. > Relativism is a position you employ when you’re weak, to be abandoned when you win. On a wide range of issues, including race and gender, the Right has been more relativist for some time.
api 5y ago
Or maybe satirizing murder and movements for human rights makes you a jerk. It has never been very socially acceptable to mock those kinds of things. I do agree that people are broadly more sensitive today than they were in the 90s. Styles change. Dark, edgy, and irreverent is out, at least in popular culture. I have this hypothesis that it tends to run counter to real life. In the 90s we were in the post Cold War peace and reality was optimistic, so people had an appetite for dark edgy art. Now reality is dark and edgy enough all on its own. Back when those things were in conservatives were having a fit about them too. Now they are having a fit that they are out? Anything to find a wedge issue I guess. Politicians need those wedge issues or they might have to earn their votes by actually fixing problems, and that’s hard.
aaron695 5y ago
Comics Cope With the L.A. Riots : Comedy: African-American stand-up comedians probe for deeper understanding in a South-Central club https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-11-ca-1176-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-11-ca-1176-s... Bill Hicks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHvwBwTnAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHvwBwTnAc (Recorded November 22, 1992 - June, 1993) (LA Riots - April 29 – May 4, 1992)

by hliyan 5y ago

readflaggedcomm 5y ago

I think it's neither. They are being satirized, and that work is blasted off popular platforms as hate speech.

loopz 5y ago
Satire of movements against active suppression, prejudice and unfairness, can be done, but will mostly be seen through the veil as a sort of bullying tactic, justifications and righteousness. Address the issues first, then we can joke about it over a beer.
_trampeltier 5y ago
I think the medium plays a role too. In real life I can laugh on some jokes because I know the people and I know is a joke and not serious. But even on the chatgroup from work, I know everyone well, I have a very thin skin in groupchats on jokes. And if I say something, often harsh comments comes back, about "censor" and "we can't even make jokes about". Often I think, I even could maybe laugh, if I heard the joke in person to person. Old movies is another example. Who ever saw the old, old Bond from the 60s Casino Royale. Bond goes in a bath tube with a 17 year old girl. That scene would never go today.
throw0101a 5y ago
The moral orthodoxy has shifted: > During those decades of social change, the problem of Left-wing “moral relativism” was often a complaint of conservative commentators, but look today at the young protesters demanding that “Rhodes must fall” or “black trans lives matters”. They certainly aren’t moral relativists. > Relativism is a position you employ when you’re weak, to be abandoned when you win. On a wide range of issues, including race and gender, the Right has been more relativist for some time.

api 5y ago

Or maybe satirizing murder and movements for human rights makes you a jerk. It has never been very socially acceptable to mock those kinds of things. I do agree that people are broadly more sensitive today than they were in the 90s. Styles change. Dark, edgy, and irreverent is out, at least in popular culture. I have this hypothesis that it tends to run counter to real life. In the 90s we were in the post Cold War peace and reality was optimistic, so people had an appetite for dark edgy art. Now reality is dark and edgy enough all on its own. Back when those things were in conservatives were having a fit about them too. Now they are having a fit that they are out? Anything to find a wedge issue I guess. Politicians need those wedge issues or they might have to earn their votes by actually fixing problems, and that’s hard.

aaron695 5y ago

Comics Cope With the L.A. Riots : Comedy: African-American stand-up comedians probe for deeper understanding in a South-Central club https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-11-ca-1176-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-11-ca-1176-s... Bill Hicks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHvwBwTnAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHvwBwTnAc (Recorded November 22, 1992 - June, 1993) (LA Riots - April 29 – May 4, 1992)