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It seems like you've never been in a place that had very humid hot summers. I can tell you that it does not require constant sun to be miserable in summer. And

It seems like you've never been in a place that had very humid hot summers. I can tell you that it does not require constant sun to be miserable in summer. And without sun you can not power that solar and in humid hot weather something like a passive "swamp cooler" won't work either.

moultano 5y ago
Yay condescension. Heat waves are caused by heat domes, and they don't have clouds https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/07/10/heat-dome-heat-wave-faq/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/07/10/heat-dome-...
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  Heat waves != Heat domes Yes the 49C event in Vancouver and surrounding areas was a heat dome and didn't have clouds. Where I live, just a bit earlier we had complete cloud cover for an entire day w/ "feels like 40C" hot and humid weather. It didn't rain that day, except once a little sprinkle. It made it muggier outside than it was before.
  - moultano 5y ago
    That's not a heatwave that's just heat.
    - tharkun__ 5y ago
      Agreed. It's a heatwave when this kind of weather (hot/dry, hot/normal, hot/humid) persists. Sometimes in combinations of these conditions. Something that is a heat wave in one place might just be called 'weather' in another place. If New Delhi got our "regular winter weather", it would be called way more than a "cold spell", while 2 weeks of New Delhi weather here is called a heat wave.
    - TeMPOraL 5y ago
      Well, so what do you call a whole week of constant 34℃ during the day, but with clouds in the sky and even a brief (but intense) rain once? That's what we had last week in Poland.
megablast 5y ago
It seems you’ve never been in a sunny climate without aircon. People survive. It’s not crazy hard. Growing up in Australia, with temps regularly over 40, and the only aircon in the supermarket frozen section.
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  I have indeed been in a sunny climate without aircon. Sunny and humid in most summers. That's why we installed the AC. When it's just hot it's fine. You just go outside and in the shade or dip in the pool. When it's sunny and humid or it starts raining and you hope for a nice cooling downpour and then the rain just stops and it's even muggier than before you crawl inside and turn the AC up. EDIT: and by turn up I don't mean freezer tenps. I hate that. We use it mainly to get rid of the humidity but that's how ACs cool anyway so temp goes down too.
  - seb1204 5y ago
    I loved the humidity in Dubai... Some days. Preferences differ.
    - tharkun__ 5y ago
      Dubai was weird. I don't remember humidity being an issue there to be honest. Was only there for 3 days or so though. I vividly remember freezing on the bus though. Being outside was better. What I also vividly remember was the beach. Totally different beach experience than anything else I've had before or after. It was really weird when I walked into the ocean and the water wasn't actually feeling colder than air around me. It was just suddenly wet around you but not cold ;)
      - gruez 5y ago
        >It was really weird when I walked into the ocean and the water wasn't actually feeling colder than air around me. It was just suddenly wet around you but not cold ;) So... a hot tub?
  - 5y ago
tenpies 5y ago
Yes, I think LKY - basically the father of Singapore - summed it up best: > Air conditioning. Air conditioning was a most important invention for us, perhaps one of the single inventions of history. It changed the nature of civilization by making development possible in the tropics. > Without air conditioning you can work only in the cool early-morning hours or at dusk. The first thing I did upon becoming prime minister was to install air conditioners in buildings where the civil service worked. This was key to public efficiency. [1] Without AC, most of the cities in the tropics would not be anywhere near what they are. It also brings to mind the importance of AC. It's not a nice-to-have. It can be as essential as heating is in cold climates, and unfortunately it's very clear from the ESG crowd that they don't realize this. They probably won't until we've seen massive death tolls during a heat wave. --- [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8278085/singapore-lee-kuan-yew-air-conditioning https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8278085/singapore-lee-kuan-yew...

moultano 5y ago

Yay condescension. Heat waves are caused by heat domes, and they don't have clouds https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/07/10/heat-dome-heat-wave-faq/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/07/10/heat-dome-...

tharkun__ 5y ago
Heat waves != Heat domes Yes the 49C event in Vancouver and surrounding areas was a heat dome and didn't have clouds. Where I live, just a bit earlier we had complete cloud cover for an entire day w/ "feels like 40C" hot and humid weather. It didn't rain that day, except once a little sprinkle. It made it muggier outside than it was before.
- moultano 5y ago
  That's not a heatwave that's just heat.
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    Agreed. It's a heatwave when this kind of weather (hot/dry, hot/normal, hot/humid) persists. Sometimes in combinations of these conditions. Something that is a heat wave in one place might just be called 'weather' in another place. If New Delhi got our "regular winter weather", it would be called way more than a "cold spell", while 2 weeks of New Delhi weather here is called a heat wave.
  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    Well, so what do you call a whole week of constant 34℃ during the day, but with clouds in the sky and even a brief (but intense) rain once? That's what we had last week in Poland.

megablast 5y ago

It seems you’ve never been in a sunny climate without aircon. People survive. It’s not crazy hard. Growing up in Australia, with temps regularly over 40, and the only aircon in the supermarket frozen section.

tharkun__ 5y ago
I have indeed been in a sunny climate without aircon. Sunny and humid in most summers. That's why we installed the AC. When it's just hot it's fine. You just go outside and in the shade or dip in the pool. When it's sunny and humid or it starts raining and you hope for a nice cooling downpour and then the rain just stops and it's even muggier than before you crawl inside and turn the AC up. EDIT: and by turn up I don't mean freezer tenps. I hate that. We use it mainly to get rid of the humidity but that's how ACs cool anyway so temp goes down too.
- seb1204 5y ago
  I loved the humidity in Dubai... Some days. Preferences differ.
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    Dubai was weird. I don't remember humidity being an issue there to be honest. Was only there for 3 days or so though. I vividly remember freezing on the bus though. Being outside was better. What I also vividly remember was the beach. Totally different beach experience than anything else I've had before or after. It was really weird when I walked into the ocean and the water wasn't actually feeling colder than air around me. It was just suddenly wet around you but not cold ;)
    - gruez 5y ago
      >It was really weird when I walked into the ocean and the water wasn't actually feeling colder than air around me. It was just suddenly wet around you but not cold ;) So... a hot tub?
- 5y ago

tenpies 5y ago

Yes, I think LKY - basically the father of Singapore - summed it up best: > Air conditioning. Air conditioning was a most important invention for us, perhaps one of the single inventions of history. It changed the nature of civilization by making development possible in the tropics. > Without air conditioning you can work only in the cool early-morning hours or at dusk. The first thing I did upon becoming prime minister was to install air conditioners in buildings where the civil service worked. This was key to public efficiency. [1] Without AC, most of the cities in the tropics would not be anywhere near what they are. It also brings to mind the importance of AC. It's not a nice-to-have. It can be as essential as heating is in cold climates, and unfortunately it's very clear from the ESG crowd that they don't realize this. They probably won't until we've seen massive death tolls during a heat wave. --- [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8278085/singapore-lee-kuan-yew-air-conditioning https://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8278085/singapore-lee-kuan-yew...