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> Please don't greenwash Germany's horrible energy strategy Quite. One good thing (the only one?) that came out of Thatcherism was the end of the British coal

> Please don't greenwash Germany's horrible energy strategy Quite. One good thing (the only one?) that came out of Thatcherism was the end of the British coal industry, though at the cost of enormous suffering for many people. Although BoJo and his crew of sub-100 IQ morons seem to be intent on opening a new one. These stickers in the 70s, mostly on polluting Citroen 2CVs used to really piss me off: https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F2b1ccb4a-1cea-43de-be5d-3ea4bd48c903.png?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=600 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/htt... And actually now, which I had completely forgotten, I remember meeting a gorgeous blond girl in Bennets Bar in Edinburgh, about 1978, and her taking me back to my flat in her car with the "Nien Danke" sticker on it. And I said it would have to go. Well, you can probably imagine what the result was.

Tepix 5y ago
She was right though. Nuclear power was unsafe and you can argue that it is still unsafe as last seen during Fukushima.
ggm 5y ago
See, if you'd met her at Sandy Bell's or Mathers, that would never have happened
- zabzonk 5y ago
  You are right about Sandy Bell's. Never been in Mathers, I don't think (at least not consciously). Actually, more memories are now flooding back. One of my flat-mates (not the greatest-looking man) met up with a really hideous woman in Sandy Bells and tried to inflict her on us - we fairly resolutely said "NO" - it all worked out for the best in the end - he ended up with a nice nurse.
FridayoLeary 5y ago
>These stickers in the 70s, mostly on polluting Citroen 2CVs used to really piss me off What? A 2CV is a tiny, lightweight car, with a miniature engine. How much pollution can it possibly throw out already? Surely far less than many brand new cars today. I know you can actually almost see the petrol fumes coming out of some big old cars, but to go after 2CV owners is absurd IMO. Although i'm not any kind of expert, so i might be wrong. "Green 2CV".
- zabzonk 5y ago
  It's the engines that do the polluting.
- enragedcacti 5y ago
  According to Wikipedia it seems the car was effectively killed by the 1992 (introduced in '89) European Emissions Standards. Emissions tech has come a long way; just looking at the legal max emissions, the 2CV failed to 2.72g/km CO emissions while the legal max since 2006 has been 1g/km CO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV#1980%E2%80%931990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV#1980%E2%80%93... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Emission_standards_for_passenger_cars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Em...
  - Scoundreller 5y ago
    > From a technical perspective, European emissions standards do not reflect everyday usage of the vehicle as manufacturers are allowed to lighten the vehicle by removing the back seats, improve aerodynamics by taping over grilles and door handles or reduce the load on the generator by switching off the headlights, the passenger compartment fan or simply disconnecting the alternator which charges the battery. Ugh
    - bserge 5y ago
      That's hilarious. Just... Why? Either set realistic targets or test them properly, this isn't Formula 1 for emissions.
      - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        The testing governments are also eager for those automotive industry (and their vast network of suppliers) jobs for their voters, so that in turn the voters feel economically happy and keep them in power...
        5y ago

Tepix 5y ago

She was right though. Nuclear power was unsafe and you can argue that it is still unsafe as last seen during Fukushima.

ggm 5y ago

See, if you'd met her at Sandy Bell's or Mathers, that would never have happened

zabzonk 5y ago
You are right about Sandy Bell's. Never been in Mathers, I don't think (at least not consciously). Actually, more memories are now flooding back. One of my flat-mates (not the greatest-looking man) met up with a really hideous woman in Sandy Bells and tried to inflict her on us - we fairly resolutely said "NO" - it all worked out for the best in the end - he ended up with a nice nurse.

FridayoLeary 5y ago

>These stickers in the 70s, mostly on polluting Citroen 2CVs used to really piss me off What? A 2CV is a tiny, lightweight car, with a miniature engine. How much pollution can it possibly throw out already? Surely far less than many brand new cars today. I know you can actually almost see the petrol fumes coming out of some big old cars, but to go after 2CV owners is absurd IMO. Although i'm not any kind of expert, so i might be wrong. "Green 2CV".

zabzonk 5y ago
It's the engines that do the polluting.
enragedcacti 5y ago
According to Wikipedia it seems the car was effectively killed by the 1992 (introduced in '89) European Emissions Standards. Emissions tech has come a long way; just looking at the legal max emissions, the 2CV failed to 2.72g/km CO emissions while the legal max since 2006 has been 1g/km CO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV#1980%E2%80%931990 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_2CV#1980%E2%80%93... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Emission_standards_for_passenger_cars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Em...
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  > From a technical perspective, European emissions standards do not reflect everyday usage of the vehicle as manufacturers are allowed to lighten the vehicle by removing the back seats, improve aerodynamics by taping over grilles and door handles or reduce the load on the generator by switching off the headlights, the passenger compartment fan or simply disconnecting the alternator which charges the battery. Ugh
  - bserge 5y ago
    That's hilarious. Just... Why? Either set realistic targets or test them properly, this isn't Formula 1 for emissions.
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      The testing governments are also eager for those automotive industry (and their vast network of suppliers) jobs for their voters, so that in turn the voters feel economically happy and keep them in power...
      - 5y ago