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I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with
by afavour 5y ago
I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. But it’s marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of smoking have started vaping as a result.
- swiley 5y agoSomeone who was involved with the early founding of that company has posted here before. It's as rotten as the cigarette companies. They're on a level bellow even consumer electronics OS vendors.
- egeozcan 5y agoExactly. The false dichotomy they bring forward anytime people mention the adverse health effects is really impossible to swallow. There have always been products to battle nicotine addiction. They should compare this to those.
- rorykoehler 5y agoThere is no incentive to sell it as something to make you quit
- TeMPOraL 5y agoBut it's not a smoking cessation product. It can be used effectively as such, but it's first and foremost a healthier substitute to smoking. People like to go to both extremes wrt. vaping - "but it creates new addicts" vs. "but it's effective tool for breaking addiction", forgetting about the biggest benefit vaping brings: letting smokers who don't want to quit to keep smoking, without risking lung cancer. I'm definitely against marketing vaping to non-smokers. But I'm fine with converting existing smokers to vaping without any talk about quitting, because smoking e-cigarettes is strictly better than smoking analog ones.
- wayneftw 5y agoYes, it is a smoking cessation product. It helps you cease smoking. Vaping is not smoking.
- rob74 5y agoOk, so it's a smoking cessation product if you take the definition strictly - but it doesn't do anything to get you off your nicotine addiction, which people usually mean by "smoking cessation product"...
- yCombLinks 5y agoYou've created your own definition and now expect us to accept it, which I don't.
- mullingitover 5y agoNicotine is the thing people obsess over, but there are far more harmful substances than nicotine in tobacco cigarettes (for example, radioactive elements Polonium-210 and lead-210), and there are MAOIs that make the nicotine in tobacco smoke far more addictive.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoAll the smokers I know want to quit smoking, not nicotine.. Smoking is 99% of the problem with cigarettes, and nicotine is 1%.
- moftz 5y agoA vape can be much cheaper than cigarettes and you get the benefit of not inhaling smoke and smelling like smoke. You can also begin reducing the amount of nicotine in your vape juice without reducing the amount of time you spend vaping. Most brands offer numerous levels of nicotine from something that's a little stronger than regular cigarette down to none.
- wayneftw 5y ago> Ok, so it's a smoking cessation product if you take the definition strictly... I do. > but it doesn't do anything to get you off your nicotine addiction, which people usually mean by "smoking cessation product"... OK but what does this have to do with expressing ourselves accurately?
- pope_meat 5y agoFun fact, if you claim to be a smoking cessation product you get the FDA at your door going "oh, so this is a medical product" and you're now obligated to prove that your product works as a medical cessation product, and requires a doctor's note to pick up. You can't market yourself as a smoking cessation product without getting the hounds of hell being unleashed on you by the regulators.
- egeozcan 5y agoGetting licensed for vaping is easier? (really asking)
- CodeWriter23 5y agoNo. The only companies eligible in the PMTA License process for vape had to have been manufacturing in 2015 or 2016 when the FDA began its moratorium on new players entering the market.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y agoThey’re both incredibly expensive and laborious. Like millions of dollars per sku expensive. The fda has put all the good vape shops out of business and extortionate taxes are killing the rest as people revert back to cigarettes. The fda is actively hurting Americans by shifting these costs onto retailers which was a Coup d'état for big tobacco who had been completely blindsided by the success of startup vape companies.
- OptionX 5y agoSeveral "Citation needed" in that comment.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y agoHere’s a good primer. I was a bit off, it’s not millions per sku, more like hundreds of thousands, but all the combinations of products also need to be accounted for and approved at great cost. https://vaping360.com/vape-news/105656/how-will-the-pmta-deadline-affect-vapers-and-the-industry/ https://vaping360.com/vape-news/105656/how-will-the-pmta-dea... If that’s not enough detail let me know, I’m happy to dig up other old articles for you. This small business destroying charade by the fda has been well documented and publicized. Though not as well as the fear mongering about children juuling.
- qwerty456127 5y agoWhat about marketing as a smoking replacement product? There are people who smoke and don't plan to quit. I recommend them to switch to vaping.
- jimbilly22 5y agoIt is. Their advertising is extremely strictly regulated and literally all of their ads and marketing material focus on smoking cessation. Note: this came after initial warnings from the FDA years ago that they were going to ban the product unless.
- rchaud 5y ago> I think if Juul was marketed as a smoking cessation product I’d have no problem with it. This is precisely how I remember e-cigarettes being marketed when I first heard about them 10 years ago. I was a smoker then, so my ears perked up. They clearly switched their marketing to target kids who didn't even smoke to begin with. 'Juul' was synonymous with teenagehood during the mid-2010s, at least if my recollection of IG memes from that time are accurate.
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- shadilay 5y agoSomehow "It kills you slower than cigarettes" isn't an attractive slogan.
- gremloni 5y agoBut it is not a cessation product. It is for people that want to continue to smoke nicotine at a fraction of the risks. Is nicotine bad by itself?
- coryfklein 5y agosmoking cessation product
- stereoradonc 5y agoI completely agree with it. Vaping for young adults (that's the technical term for that) is a stepping stone for making the switch to cigarettes easier.
- kazinator 5y agoEasier than what?
- hyper0perator 5y agoI agree. If alcohol were marketed for heart disease reduction, I'd have no problem with it. But it's marketed as a lifestyle product and a ton of young people with no history of drinking have started as a result.
- webnrrd2k 5y agoThis reminds me of the old "is it ok to smoke while praying/pray while smoking" question: A young priest asked his bishop, “May I smoke while praying?”... The answer was an emphatic “No!” Later, when he sees an older priest puffing on a cigarette while praying, the younger priest scolded him, “You shouldn’t be smoking while praying! I asked the bishop, and he said I couldn’t do it!” “That’s odd,” the old priest replied. “I asked the bishop if I could pray while I’m smoking, and he told me that it was okay to pray at any time!” I first heard it from an Alan Watts talk, but couldn't easily find the quote, so I used one from r/jokes, at ”https://amp.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/3q2h1a/a_young_priest_asked_his_bishop_may_i_smoke_while/ https://amp.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/3q2h1a/a_young_pries...