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> Pretty much all the articles take the Juul party line that e-cigarettes help convert smokers away from combustible tobacco products, and thus aid public healt

> Pretty much all the articles take the Juul party line that e-cigarettes help convert smokers away from combustible tobacco products, and thus aid public health. Pretty much none of the articles mention that Juul and other vaping companies make their money by attracting countless new people to nicotine addiction. Well maybe it's because Juul bought the journal or maybe the researchers found no correlation between Juul's profits and public health.

i_love_limes 5y ago
This has been a hot topic of research in the public health community, and from more legitimate researchers there is still a lot of debate. However this kind of move is striking in it's similarity to the known tried and tested maneuvers of the tobacco industry to undercut public understanding of the risks with their products. This is the 21st century equivalent of attempting to disprove the links between smoking and cancer.
- smolder 5y ago
  It's similar but not what I'd call equivalent, because the risks of smoking and vaping are different and differently understood in their respective PR battles. The science is still out on how safe vaping is in the long term, but apart from liquids having certain additives like diethyl that are known to be unsafe now, it appears to be reasonably safe. The undercutting of understanding the risks of cigarettes was happening when the risks would have been blatantly obvious to researchers, unlike with current vaping products. So while the PR technique is similarly appalling, the context is different.
tokai 5y ago
Over half of the researchers are employees of Juul. Not funded or financed, but employed.
bserge 5y ago
I mean, yeah they're a smoking cessation tool which has been taken up by non-smokers, like any other drug with somewhat recreational effects out there. Vaping for fun can be done without nicotine, though. They could place some more visible stickers that say "Smoke only nicotine free - same fun, no stupid addiction!" or something. And locking e-cigarettes behind a prescription would just make people continue smoking the freely available tobacco products. Nicotine patches failed to gain wide adoption in part because of that.
possiblelion 5y ago
Well, nicotine addiction is a debatable topic as nicotine itself is actually not addictive as a compound.
- struxure 5y ago
  Any source for that claim? I can only say from the personal experience that people I know and I used to be addicted to nicotine (not only in tobacco products)
  - possiblelion 5y ago
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16177026/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16177026/

i_love_limes 5y ago

This has been a hot topic of research in the public health community, and from more legitimate researchers there is still a lot of debate. However this kind of move is striking in it's similarity to the known tried and tested maneuvers of the tobacco industry to undercut public understanding of the risks with their products. This is the 21st century equivalent of attempting to disprove the links between smoking and cancer.

smolder 5y ago
It's similar but not what I'd call equivalent, because the risks of smoking and vaping are different and differently understood in their respective PR battles. The science is still out on how safe vaping is in the long term, but apart from liquids having certain additives like diethyl that are known to be unsafe now, it appears to be reasonably safe. The undercutting of understanding the risks of cigarettes was happening when the risks would have been blatantly obvious to researchers, unlike with current vaping products. So while the PR technique is similarly appalling, the context is different.

tokai 5y ago

Over half of the researchers are employees of Juul. Not funded or financed, but employed.

bserge 5y ago

I mean, yeah they're a smoking cessation tool which has been taken up by non-smokers, like any other drug with somewhat recreational effects out there. Vaping for fun can be done without nicotine, though. They could place some more visible stickers that say "Smoke only nicotine free - same fun, no stupid addiction!" or something. And locking e-cigarettes behind a prescription would just make people continue smoking the freely available tobacco products. Nicotine patches failed to gain wide adoption in part because of that.

possiblelion 5y ago

Well, nicotine addiction is a debatable topic as nicotine itself is actually not addictive as a compound.

struxure 5y ago
Any source for that claim? I can only say from the personal experience that people I know and I used to be addicted to nicotine (not only in tobacco products)
- possiblelion 5y ago
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16177026/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16177026/