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> Corollary: When Rep. Ilhan Omar ("a frequent critic of Israel") says something, understand that the words she says must follow the Koran or she faces executio

by tw04 5y ago

> Corollary: When Rep. Ilhan Omar ("a frequent critic of Israel") says something, understand that the words she says must follow the Koran or she faces execution for blasphemy. For that reason, she should not be a US House member, and certainly not on House committees. Islam and the US constitution are opposing ideologies. You were making some… reasonable claims up until this point where you jumped the shark. We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran, and I’ll immediately point out that literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible with our constitution. That’s why we have separation of church and state.

unmole 5y ago
> We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran Yeah, no. Divorce is permitted in Islam.
- ckemere 5y ago
  Divorce after an affair?
  - kimchidude 5y ago
    Are you trying to convolute the two?
coffeefirst 5y ago
Not to mention the extreme cults described above aren't super cool with women holding elected office. She does say some outlandish things, but most of it's better explained by spending too much time on Twitter.
fredros 5y ago
> I’ll immediately point out that literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible with our constitution. That’s why we have separation of church and state “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's” “My kingdom is not of this world” These quotes from Jesus, along with the pages of Paul arguing for faith over religious law have created this separation between church and state. It is believed by Christians all over the world that the religious laws died with Jesus on the cross. In this regard, not all religions are created equal. Islam is an orthopraxy as the Koran, supposedly the world of god, directly dictates laws.
isr 5y ago
> We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran What utter, complete, made-up nonsense. Islam guarantees women the right to divorce (along with property rights, pre-nuptial contracts, etc). You just made the above up out of your own head, and added the spicy "Koran would behead her" just for kicks. Says a lot about whats going on in your head ... Kindly leave it there, and don't pollute Hacker News with it. Thanks.
teleforce 5y ago
Please do not make any random statement about any religion that can be misleading if you are an ignorant person about the religion.
- tw04 5y ago
  Please read the parent post before making assumptions about my understanding of Islam. The parent is speaking in the context of Sharia law as implemented in Afghanistan. If you think a woman can simply divorce her husband and walk away unscathed in Afghanistan I'd suggest you take your own advice and read up on the region before you come across as ignorant. Can a woman who practices Islam in the US divorce her husband without physical harm? Absolutely. Can a woman who practices Islam be a US representative while abiding by the constitution without physical harm? Absolutely.
  - teleforce 5y ago
    >We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran The sentence above was quoted verbatim from your statements, thus your post is misleading at best and lying at worst. If you not an ignorant about the subject, please point exactly and anywhere in the Koran that unequivocally support your statement.
  - isr 5y ago
    More nonsense. There are the usual male-female dynamics at play in any relationship, but this constant falsehood being propogated here about how Islam denies these rights is not just misleading, its the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the truth. I repeat, the ability of a wife to divorce her husband is enshrined in Islam. In capital letters, With a bold font. And yes, that includes Afghanistan. And yes, I AM from that region (before you bring up that nonsense). Obviously you are not - as evidenced by the usual hokus pocus anti-Muslim superstitions you're spreading. You're just spreading FUD, possibly spoonfed to you by other even more disreputable sources. As other posters have said, keep your ignorant falsehoods, FUD and superstitious nonsense ("she would be beheaded" - please ...) to yourself. Feel free to keep lying to yourself and believe it. Just don't spread it here. The End.
redis_mlc 5y ago
> literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible You're trying to make a reasonable and logical statement, but you misunderstand the Koran, which is considered by all believers to be the literal word of God, today, in 2021. Very few Christians say that seriously about the Bible, for many reasons. If you said the Koran was not the literal word of God in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, the penalty is execution for blasphemy. What that means in practise is that there can be no reform in Islam, as reform is interpreted as returning to the 7th century, not changing anything based on modern times. It also means you won't find a debate about the merits of Islam on Youtube by Muslims - since they can't criticize the Koran, they either just say how great it is, or how awful their debate opponent is. (One Islamic scholar mentioned that inside scholarly debates they consider if the Koran is not perfect because there were multiple early versions, and he was cancelled because of that one comment.) The early history of the Koran is that there were several versions written from oral accounts after the death of the Prophet, but early scholars destroyed most of the texts so there could only be one. The Prophet was illiterate, so he didn't write the Koran, and a lot of his close followers were killed in battle. A goat also ate some of the pages. Muslims justify their religion as the only true one by saying that the fact there is only one perfect version of the Koran is a miracle (compared to the Bible.) Which is not historically true, but also not something they are allowed to discuss. (Christian scholars consider the Bible as adequately supported by historical documents, but nobody claims it's identical to the word with an original text. Obviously the King James version must have lost a lot in translation, but there's no uproar about reading it.) I never mentioned anything about her divorce. I'm talking about what she is allowed to say publicly or in the presence of other believers. If you listen to her nonsensical statements about Israel, she toes the Koranic line at all times - fine for a private citizen (subject to hate laws, which the Koran violates), but not for a US elected official.
azth 5y ago
Absolute nonsense. Not only does Islam guarantee a woman's right to divorce, the Koran has an entire chapter titled The Divorce: https://quran.com/65 https://quran.com/65 It's baffling how some people make false claims as if they're truths.

by tw04 5y ago

unmole 5y ago

> We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran Yeah, no. Divorce is permitted in Islam.

ckemere 5y ago
Divorce after an affair?
- kimchidude 5y ago
  Are you trying to convolute the two?

coffeefirst 5y ago

Not to mention the extreme cults described above aren't super cool with women holding elected office. She does say some outlandish things, but most of it's better explained by spending too much time on Twitter.

fredros 5y ago

> I’ll immediately point out that literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible with our constitution. That’s why we have separation of church and state “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's” “My kingdom is not of this world” These quotes from Jesus, along with the pages of Paul arguing for faith over religious law have created this separation between church and state. It is believed by Christians all over the world that the religious laws died with Jesus on the cross. In this regard, not all religions are created equal. Islam is an orthopraxy as the Koran, supposedly the world of god, directly dictates laws.

isr 5y ago

> We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran What utter, complete, made-up nonsense. Islam guarantees women the right to divorce (along with property rights, pre-nuptial contracts, etc). You just made the above up out of your own head, and added the spicy "Koran would behead her" just for kicks. Says a lot about whats going on in your head ... Kindly leave it there, and don't pollute Hacker News with it. Thanks.

teleforce 5y ago

Please do not make any random statement about any religion that can be misleading if you are an ignorant person about the religion.

tw04 5y ago
Please read the parent post before making assumptions about my understanding of Islam. The parent is speaking in the context of Sharia law as implemented in Afghanistan. If you think a woman can simply divorce her husband and walk away unscathed in Afghanistan I'd suggest you take your own advice and read up on the region before you come across as ignorant. Can a woman who practices Islam in the US divorce her husband without physical harm? Absolutely. Can a woman who practices Islam be a US representative while abiding by the constitution without physical harm? Absolutely.
- teleforce 5y ago
  >We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran The sentence above was quoted verbatim from your statements, thus your post is misleading at best and lying at worst. If you not an ignorant about the subject, please point exactly and anywhere in the Koran that unequivocally support your statement.
- isr 5y ago
  More nonsense. There are the usual male-female dynamics at play in any relationship, but this constant falsehood being propogated here about how Islam denies these rights is not just misleading, its the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the truth. I repeat, the ability of a wife to divorce her husband is enshrined in Islam. In capital letters, With a bold font. And yes, that includes Afghanistan. And yes, I AM from that region (before you bring up that nonsense). Obviously you are not - as evidenced by the usual hokus pocus anti-Muslim superstitions you're spreading. You're just spreading FUD, possibly spoonfed to you by other even more disreputable sources. As other posters have said, keep your ignorant falsehoods, FUD and superstitious nonsense ("she would be beheaded" - please ...) to yourself. Feel free to keep lying to yourself and believe it. Just don't spread it here. The End.

redis_mlc 5y ago

> literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible You're trying to make a reasonable and logical statement, but you misunderstand the Koran, which is considered by all believers to be the literal word of God, today, in 2021. Very few Christians say that seriously about the Bible, for many reasons. If you said the Koran was not the literal word of God in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, the penalty is execution for blasphemy. What that means in practise is that there can be no reform in Islam, as reform is interpreted as returning to the 7th century, not changing anything based on modern times. It also means you won't find a debate about the merits of Islam on Youtube by Muslims - since they can't criticize the Koran, they either just say how great it is, or how awful their debate opponent is. (One Islamic scholar mentioned that inside scholarly debates they consider if the Koran is not perfect because there were multiple early versions, and he was cancelled because of that one comment.) The early history of the Koran is that there were several versions written from oral accounts after the death of the Prophet, but early scholars destroyed most of the texts so there could only be one. The Prophet was illiterate, so he didn't write the Koran, and a lot of his close followers were killed in battle. A goat also ate some of the pages. Muslims justify their religion as the only true one by saying that the fact there is only one perfect version of the Koran is a miracle (compared to the Bible.) Which is not historically true, but also not something they are allowed to discuss. (Christian scholars consider the Bible as adequately supported by historical documents, but nobody claims it's identical to the word with an original text. Obviously the King James version must have lost a lot in translation, but there's no uproar about reading it.) I never mentioned anything about her divorce. I'm talking about what she is allowed to say publicly or in the presence of other believers. If you listen to her nonsensical statements about Israel, she toes the Koranic line at all times - fine for a private citizen (subject to hate laws, which the Koran violates), but not for a US elected official.

azth 5y ago

Absolute nonsense. Not only does Islam guarantee a woman's right to divorce, the Koran has an entire chapter titled The Divorce: https://quran.com/65 https://quran.com/65 It's baffling how some people make false claims as if they're truths.