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Elite does not necessarily equal smart, in this context. (This comment doesn't make any sense after you edited your comment. Weak sauce.)

by tpmx 5y ago

iNane9000 5y ago
Exactly, educated doesn’t mean schooled/credentialed. The word for this is “discrimination”— the more educated people we produce the less discriminating our institutions must be. If academia doesn’t discriminate the few from the many, it’s non-functional. Colleges are not to educate the public, they’re supposed to advance human knowledge. These are incongruent goals.
- R0b0t1 5y ago
  No they're not. They are related in theory if not in actual practice.
armatav 5y ago
I edited it 5 seconds after posting it. You posted 20 minutes after I posted it.
- reificator 5y ago
  > I edited it 5 seconds after posting it. And those edits don't propagate to pages that are already open. > You posted 20 minutes after I posted it. GP could easily have taken 20 minutes to read the article and comments before wading in. I know I've posted replies after leaving a tab open for hours before.
  - anigbrowl 5y ago
    That is hardly OP's fault, since there is no way to be aware of others' HN reading behavior.
    - reificator 5y ago
      > That is hardly OP's fault, since there is no way to be aware of others' HN reading behavior. I don't remember assigning fault.
      - armatav 5y ago
        “Weak sauce”?
        reificator 5y ago
        > “Weak sauce”? Whether that counts as assigning blame or not, I have not typed those words in the last decade or more.
        anigbrowl 5y ago
        Sure, but as a casual passer-by it seems like you're rationalizing the somewhat petulant comment from tpmx which did include those words: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27755083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27755083
        reificator 5y ago
        > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
        anigbrowl 5y ago
        You could have said that to the person complaining about 'weak sauce' in the first place. Or you could have applied it to my previous comment* instead of quibbling. It's a two-way street. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27756583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27756583
        armatav 5y ago
        I only just realized you aren't even the person who posted it. Let's drop this thread, if he has a problem with me editing it, that's on him to say; I thought you were him considering how deep this got. Here's the underlying: he responded late, it's his job to refresh, that's not etiquette, it's how the site functions.
joe_the_user 5y ago
The Economist pretty clearly said elites equals educated. Maybe they misstate Turchin's position but it's understandable the parent responded to that. -- And the whole "elite = educated" trope is a vicious rightwing canard that's gotten way too much play on this site, so clarification is useful.

Elite does not necessarily equal smart, in this context. (This comment doesn't make any sense after you edited your comment. Weak sauce.)

by tpmx 5y ago

Elite does not necessarily equal smart, in this context. (This comment doesn't make any sense after you edited your comment. Weak sauce.)

iNane9000 5y ago

Exactly, educated doesn’t mean schooled/credentialed. The word for this is “discrimination”— the more educated people we produce the less discriminating our institutions must be. If academia doesn’t discriminate the few from the many, it’s non-functional. Colleges are not to educate the public, they’re supposed to advance human knowledge. These are incongruent goals.

R0b0t1 5y ago
No they're not. They are related in theory if not in actual practice.

armatav 5y ago

I edited it 5 seconds after posting it. You posted 20 minutes after I posted it.

reificator 5y ago
> I edited it 5 seconds after posting it. And those edits don't propagate to pages that are already open. > You posted 20 minutes after I posted it. GP could easily have taken 20 minutes to read the article and comments before wading in. I know I've posted replies after leaving a tab open for hours before.
- anigbrowl 5y ago
  That is hardly OP's fault, since there is no way to be aware of others' HN reading behavior.
  - reificator 5y ago
    > That is hardly OP's fault, since there is no way to be aware of others' HN reading behavior. I don't remember assigning fault.
    - armatav 5y ago
      “Weak sauce”?
      - reificator 5y ago
        > “Weak sauce”? Whether that counts as assigning blame or not, I have not typed those words in the last decade or more.
        anigbrowl 5y ago
        Sure, but as a casual passer-by it seems like you're rationalizing the somewhat petulant comment from tpmx which did include those words: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27755083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27755083
        reificator 5y ago
        > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
        anigbrowl 5y ago
        You could have said that to the person complaining about 'weak sauce' in the first place. Or you could have applied it to my previous comment* instead of quibbling. It's a two-way street. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27756583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27756583
        armatav 5y ago
        I only just realized you aren't even the person who posted it. Let's drop this thread, if he has a problem with me editing it, that's on him to say; I thought you were him considering how deep this got. Here's the underlying: he responded late, it's his job to refresh, that's not etiquette, it's how the site functions.

joe_the_user 5y ago

The Economist pretty clearly said elites equals educated. Maybe they misstate Turchin's position but it's understandable the parent responded to that. -- And the whole "elite = educated" trope is a vicious rightwing canard that's gotten way too much play on this site, so clarification is useful.