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Seems like the same legal body that made these laws would outlaw that activity.
by vnchr 5y ago
Seems like the same legal body that made these laws would outlaw that activity.
- SllX 5y agoYeah, but how sustainable is the EU really, in the long term? I’m still convinced it will either dissolve or devolve into a rump organization within my lifetime.
- thatguy0900 5y agoWell, I'm assuming that's one of the things that total pervasive surveillance and control of communication is meant to address.
- SllX 5y agoSeems like acting with that intent with this power is an easy way to accelerate the EU’s own dissolution. The Warsaw Pact, the Cold War, the Iron Curtain across Europe and the Berlin Wall, as well as the communist surveillance States that still-living Europeans lived within and remember well enough was not that long ago.
- thatguy0900 5y agoThey probably make the argument to themselves that none of those people had anywhere near the amount of data they will have. I guess it remains to be seen how long an intelligence agency can hold a country together when they have access to a large portion of every private conversation between citizens.
- rich_sasha 5y agoEU gets a lot of stick but deep below, the boring stuff keeps it together. Brexit showed just the enormous depth of high quality glue keeping all remaining countries together. So I don’t think the EU will be collapsing any time soon, certainly not for rational reasons.
- SllX 5y agoYeah, but how much of that boring stuff requires the full matter of what the EU has become? That’s why I could see a rump sticking around or getting folded into some other institutions, if full dissolution never quite happens.
- rich_sasha 5y agoAgain, Brexit shows, imho, that you can’t have the boring stuff without the tight integration. There are no duties because taxes are harmonised. There are no import/export controls because norms are identical pan-EU. The UK wanted to drop the tight integration and acceptance of common goals, but keep all the tax and trade benefits. But the logical hurdles turned out to be insurmountable. Want to sell fish tax-free? Well let us fish in your waters. Want to sell frictionless to our markets? Accept our standards. So what should the common ground be for digital services? Initiatives like this, good or bad, represent the EU’s drive to combat big issues facing the world, and again need to be tackled for the EU to remain relevant; it can’t just stick to subsidising farming, that is so 1950s. I spoke once to a senior economist (can’t remember the name sadly) who made a good point: EU is often compared to national governments, and looks sluggish by comparison. But the real comparisons would be to other enormous bureaucracies: US federal government, China, UN etc. And when you make this comparison, it is in fact quite favourable for the EU. Basically, scaling is hard, and the EU is not bad at it.
- krona 5y ago> Basically, scaling is hard, and the EU is not bad at it. It's not scaling economically though, is it?
- engineeringwoke 5y agoWhat makes you say that? Mass media, especially English speaking mass media, have been EU polyannas since its inception. It's bad for their status quo.
- jollybean 5y ago