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Anthropogenic Global Warming is great for plant life. The world is greening right now, and that's great for food production and lowering world poverty.

mklingen 5y ago
And here we see the bad-faith rhetorical goalpost shift happening in real time. 1. deny that change is happening. -> 2. deny that we have anything to do with climate change. -> 3. deny that what we're doing to the climate is bad. -> 4. actually, amazingly, claim that what we're doing to the climate is good. (you are here)
- fatsdomino001 5y ago
  I agree, we are starting to see the bad-faith posters here not engaging in real discussion. These trolls generally setup strawmen arguments instead of engaging with the real points made, terribly unfortunate and not a good sign of healthy democracy. The reality is that yes Anthropogenic Global Warming is happening to a certain degree, but even without AGW our climate was warming. And thank god for that because we're coming out of an ice age... can you imagine if we were cooling?! Yeesh, then we'd have a real problem on our hands. Instead we have an earth coming out of an ice age, getting slightly slightly more warmed by anthropogenic causes. The main end result of which is a more green earth, more agricultural production and less poverty. Btw, in case you didn't clue into it, you're the bad-faith poster in this scenario.
titzer 5y ago
Except it isn't. The Western US is experiencing the worst drought in over 1000 years. And that's on top of the vast reduction in wild spaces, logging and burning of rainforests, urbanization, and conversion of prairies and grasslands to agriculture. This is probably the least "green" the world has been for hundreds of thousands or millions of years, modulo ice ages.
- useragent86 5y ago
  It's well known that North America has more and larger forests today than it did a few hundred years ago.
  - titzer 5y ago
    You're gonna need a citation for that statement, because everything I know about the US disagrees with that. Indiana, for example, was almost completely forest before European settlers arrived [1] and has seen forest cover reduced by 75%. Most of the midwest is similar. [1] https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr-nrs-p-108papers/02carman_hee_p108.pdf https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr-nrs-p-108papers/02car...
    - useragent86 5y ago
      No, you're gonna need a citation for my statement; I already know it to be so. You can google as well as I can. I'm not here to win an Internet argument, merely to inform. Whether you agree with me is not my concern.
- fatsdomino001 5y ago
  The Western US is not the whole world. Here's a study from NASA that shows the whole world has been seeing significant greening in recent decades: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer... I agree with you though that deforestation and a lot of agricultural practices have been absolutely terrible to our environment and need to be addressed with the same level of focus that people currently have towards climate change.

mklingen 5y ago

And here we see the bad-faith rhetorical goalpost shift happening in real time. 1. deny that change is happening. -> 2. deny that we have anything to do with climate change. -> 3. deny that what we're doing to the climate is bad. -> 4. actually, amazingly, claim that what we're doing to the climate is good. (you are here)

fatsdomino001 5y ago
I agree, we are starting to see the bad-faith posters here not engaging in real discussion. These trolls generally setup strawmen arguments instead of engaging with the real points made, terribly unfortunate and not a good sign of healthy democracy. The reality is that yes Anthropogenic Global Warming is happening to a certain degree, but even without AGW our climate was warming. And thank god for that because we're coming out of an ice age... can you imagine if we were cooling?! Yeesh, then we'd have a real problem on our hands. Instead we have an earth coming out of an ice age, getting slightly slightly more warmed by anthropogenic causes. The main end result of which is a more green earth, more agricultural production and less poverty. Btw, in case you didn't clue into it, you're the bad-faith poster in this scenario.

titzer 5y ago

Except it isn't. The Western US is experiencing the worst drought in over 1000 years. And that's on top of the vast reduction in wild spaces, logging and burning of rainforests, urbanization, and conversion of prairies and grasslands to agriculture. This is probably the least "green" the world has been for hundreds of thousands or millions of years, modulo ice ages.

useragent86 5y ago
It's well known that North America has more and larger forests today than it did a few hundred years ago.
- titzer 5y ago
  You're gonna need a citation for that statement, because everything I know about the US disagrees with that. Indiana, for example, was almost completely forest before European settlers arrived [1] and has seen forest cover reduced by 75%. Most of the midwest is similar. [1] https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr-nrs-p-108papers/02carman_hee_p108.pdf https://www.nrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr-nrs-p-108papers/02car...
  - useragent86 5y ago
    No, you're gonna need a citation for my statement; I already know it to be so. You can google as well as I can. I'm not here to win an Internet argument, merely to inform. Whether you agree with me is not my concern.
fatsdomino001 5y ago
The Western US is not the whole world. Here's a study from NASA that shows the whole world has been seeing significant greening in recent decades: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer... I agree with you though that deforestation and a lot of agricultural practices have been absolutely terrible to our environment and need to be addressed with the same level of focus that people currently have towards climate change.