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This is a typical issue with HN posts. Some poor soul wrote a somewhat competent and maybe even lengthy blog post / article about something they really care ab
by wildmanx 5y ago
This is a typical issue with HN posts.
Some poor soul wrote a somewhat competent and maybe even lengthy blog post / article about something they really care about and are knowledgeable about. It may be directed at a specific audience, or maybe just screaming into the void to record down some insight they had for themselves to read again later, or similar. And they use a more-than-necessary general title like "the best tool you'll ever see" with "you" meaning either just themselves or a narrow target audience or so.
And then somebody comes along who finds it interesting, submits it to HN, it makes front page, and now it looks like the poor author with their more-general-than-needed title is making a general statement about sth for the changed audience which is the HN crowd, but which is distinctly different from the original target audience.
Case in point: The articles author self describes as: "I'm an aerospace engineer that writes software. I love math and science, and I have two cats."
For an aerospace engineer this all makes a lot of sense and is a super great tool, I'm sure. It's just not for the overall HN crowd. And it's not the authors fault.
- rawtxapp 5y agoJust to point out, it seems like the author themselves submitted the story to HN. Still I agree with your reasoning, but I think slight clickbaity titles do get clicks which is why we keep seeing them.
- MontyCarloHall 5y agoYup. This wouldn’t get nearly the same amount of attention if the title were “Poisson’s equation is the most powerful tool in your toolbox for finding steady-state solutions to the heat equation with arbitrarily placed sources”
- crazygringo 5y agoBut it'd make a helluva lot more sense. I tried to skim the article, I started to read comments, and it's only now that I've gotten to yours that I have the slightest idea of what this article is even about. If it wouldn't get as much attention with that title, then perhaps it isn't appropriate for HN in the first place.
- retzkek 5y agoThe examples are about heat transfer, because it is an intuitive concept for most people, but as the article explains Poisson's Equation and these methods can be applied to a broad range of problems.
- pbhjpbhj 5y agoYes, I would love it if HN had optional descriptive titles as subtitles to the main story titles (which would then always be the title given by the author at the time of submission).
- RicoElectrico 5y agoI'd rather have more submissions like this on the HN frontpage than the slew of entrepreneurship advice (good or bad), programming-languages-du-jour and disguised content marketing. Anyway, the premise that "everything I see has to appeal to me" would best stay on YouTube where it originated.
- quaintdev 5y agoThere should exist a subreddit for exactly these type of articles which are in depth. Who know article like this may want someone to learn something entirely different than their domain and then they end up applying it in their domain in a whole new way.
- wildmanx 5y agoI didn't intend to demand "everything I see has to appeal to me". I was merely pointing out that the meaning and impact of a headline are relative to the target audience and this was an example that illustrated the difference. With the effect that somebody somewhat rightfully asked "eh what is this about again"? The HN crowd has a different average toolbox than the article's author, so the apparent mismatch between headline and article content was confusing.
- alisonkisk 5y agoPlease don't sling pointless insults. That would best stay on...nowhwere, will it belongs. Parent's concern was for the misleading titles that appear on HN, due to HN's fear of submitters.
- SubiculumCode 5y agoIt IS a good article, but the audience of the article is fairly specific yet left unspecified. As a general principal in technical writing it is advisable to start with a "why you should care" statement because this naturally informs the reader about the context.
- wheelinsupial 5y agoIs the second section “when would I use this” sufficient to provide a “why you should care statement”? Or is there a more common way to call this out in technical writing? Perhaps an “intended audience” or “necessary prerequisites”?
- weinzierl 5y agoWell said. There is also the other extreme, where articles of the kind you described don't "use a more-than-necessary general title" but one that is so specific and narrow that it will never fly on HN, even if the content is otherwise a good fit for a valuable HN discussion. The dilemma with titles is that most of them fall into one of two categories: - titles where the author didn't put much effort into - titles where the author tried too hard The first category is often confusing because the article doesn't fit the title well. The second category often ends up as clickbait.
- franciscop 5y agoFrom the poster sharer username here in HN it seems "the poor author" is also the one sharing it here, so it seems this blog post is at least partly directed to the general HN audience, not like the hypothetical situation you are placing here. So the whole "It's just not for the overall HN crowd" is probably not a valid point? I found it a throwback to my university years, but I did study Industrial Engineering with thermodynamics, fluid mechanics and whatnot so I did find it interesting. I'm pretty sure it's usable by a bunch of people in HN as well in many fields where software intends to emulate the real world, like designing a smart appliance, games, VR, etc.
- wildmanx 5y agoWhat's getting confusing with this discussion is that the title has changed. Now it's just "Poisson's Equation". But before it was "Most Powerful Tool not yet in your Toolbox" which was really off topic for a mainly sw dev crowd. That the author himself submitted it (under that original title?) would then be his own "fault". But my general original point remains.
- chris_st 5y agoExcept prionassembly's post here shows it's WAY more useful than the original "model physical things" of the original article. Also glad this is here, if only to surface such interesting things!
- shoto_io 5y agoSeems like we need a disallow robots.txt equivalent!
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- _Nat_ 5y ago> For an aerospace engineer this all makes a lot of sense and is a super great tool, I'm sure. The article seems like a decent introduction to the Poisson-equation. But the original title was very misleading. Because the Poisson-equation isn't some super-useful tool so much as a Day-1 topic discussed in intro-level classes. It's a really simple equation compared to others used in Engineering, Math, and Physics, so it's often introduced as a starting point.
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