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The critical info we are still missing: Effectiveness against long Covid.

umanwizard 5y ago
As far as I know, we don’t have good statistics on the prevalence of long covid symptoms in the first place.
elif 5y ago
In my case, remaining symptoms started disappearing after 2 weeks. By week 9 I could nolonger identify a single symptom. However the vaccine itself had weird and strong side effects on me for a month and a half.
- EForEndeavour 5y ago
  Wait, so you had symptomatic COVID, then later got a vaccine? Or did you get COVID (with symptoms and a positive test) despite being vaccinated? In either case, how do you disentangle vaccine side effects from potential "long COVID"?
  - elif 5y ago
    I had mildly symptomatic covid while my wife had acutely symptomatic covid. Then I had a year+ of long covid symptoms. Then I got a vaccine dose and was very sick for 4 days and had painful systemic inflammation for 6 weeks, during which time my covid toes and tongue and cough disappeared. My second dose only gave me stomach pain for a week.
    - occamrazor 5y ago
      Did you have symptoms for 9 weeks (your previous comment) or >1 year (this comment)?
      - penteract 5y ago
        Not the original commenter, but it seems clear that they had symptoms of long covid for >1 year after first catching covid, and those symptoms stopped <9 weeks after getting the first dose of the vaccine.
        Woberto 5y ago
        I don't think it's clear at all, OP made a distinction between some symptoms lasting up to 9 weeks (presumably after covid) vs symptoms from the vaccine lasting 6 weeks
        penteract 5y ago
        The second comment says >Then I had a year+ of long covid symptoms. With that context, I read the first comment as > In my case, remaining symptoms[of long covid] started disappearing after 2 weeks[after the vaccine]. By week 9[after the vaccine] I could no longer identify a single symptom[of long covid]. > However the vaccine itself had weird and strong side effects on me for a month and a half[= 6 weeks][after the vaccine].
refurb 5y ago
Considering long Covid hasn’t actually been clinically defined, that’s not going to happen any time soon.
- sonicggg 5y ago
  You are clearly misinformed. The CDC has already created a new code for the disease, along with a name: PACS https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/post-covid-public-health-recs.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/...
  - bobthepanda 5y ago
    The code is under review. > The ICD-10 code U09.9 Post COVID-19 condition code is not currently available in the United States and is under review by the U.S. ICD-10 Coordination and Maintenance Committee. In the meantime, CDC recommends the following ICD-10-CM code be used for post-COVID conditions: B94.8 Sequelae of other specified infectious and parasitic diseases Anyways, it's not uncommon to get what a disease is wrong the first time. The CDC also initially referred to HIV as GRID (gay-related immune deficiency).
spywaregorilla 5y ago
Long Covid is ill defined, not especially common (~5-15% depending on the study), usually not that serious, and correlated with the intensity of the disease (so it will be lessened with vaccines avoiding hospitalization).
- BucketsMcG 5y ago
  Pretty common, pretty serious. - One million self-reporting long COVID in the UK, give or take - 89% of them reporting symptoms at least 12 weeks after infection - 40% of them reporting symptoms at least one year after infection - 18.5% reporting that their ability to undertake their day-to-day activities had been "limited a lot" https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1july2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
  - AuryGlenz 5y ago
    I’ve probably had some long COVID symptoms myself, but self reporting on something like this is next to worthless. You’ve got a mix of the placebo effect with people that had COVID attributing everything negative after to it, all backed with the media constantly reminding them of long COVID.
    - utterboredom 5y ago
      Agreed. I’ve suspected that I’ve had some after effects from COVID including some sleep and lung issues but I couldn’t tell you which is from COVID and which is from gaining weight during lockdowns. Chances are that it’s just that I gained weight and need to get back into shape.
    - mmastrac 5y ago
      I think "nocebo" is the better term in this case.
      - 5y ago
deeviant 5y ago
I haven't heard of a single case of long covid after being fully vaccinated, have you?

As far as I know, we don’t have good statistics on the prevalence of long covid symptoms in the first place.

elif 5y ago

In my case, remaining symptoms started disappearing after 2 weeks. By week 9 I could nolonger identify a single symptom. However the vaccine itself had weird and strong side effects on me for a month and a half.

EForEndeavour 5y ago
Wait, so you had symptomatic COVID, then later got a vaccine? Or did you get COVID (with symptoms and a positive test) despite being vaccinated? In either case, how do you disentangle vaccine side effects from potential "long COVID"?
- elif 5y ago
  I had mildly symptomatic covid while my wife had acutely symptomatic covid. Then I had a year+ of long covid symptoms. Then I got a vaccine dose and was very sick for 4 days and had painful systemic inflammation for 6 weeks, during which time my covid toes and tongue and cough disappeared. My second dose only gave me stomach pain for a week.
  - occamrazor 5y ago
    Did you have symptoms for 9 weeks (your previous comment) or >1 year (this comment)?
    - penteract 5y ago
      Not the original commenter, but it seems clear that they had symptoms of long covid for >1 year after first catching covid, and those symptoms stopped <9 weeks after getting the first dose of the vaccine.
      - Woberto 5y ago
        I don't think it's clear at all, OP made a distinction between some symptoms lasting up to 9 weeks (presumably after covid) vs symptoms from the vaccine lasting 6 weeks
        penteract 5y ago
        The second comment says >Then I had a year+ of long covid symptoms. With that context, I read the first comment as > In my case, remaining symptoms[of long covid] started disappearing after 2 weeks[after the vaccine]. By week 9[after the vaccine] I could no longer identify a single symptom[of long covid]. > However the vaccine itself had weird and strong side effects on me for a month and a half[= 6 weeks][after the vaccine].

refurb 5y ago

Considering long Covid hasn’t actually been clinically defined, that’s not going to happen any time soon.

sonicggg 5y ago
You are clearly misinformed. The CDC has already created a new code for the disease, along with a name: PACS https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/post-covid-public-health-recs.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/...
- bobthepanda 5y ago
  The code is under review. > The ICD-10 code U09.9 Post COVID-19 condition code is not currently available in the United States and is under review by the U.S. ICD-10 Coordination and Maintenance Committee. In the meantime, CDC recommends the following ICD-10-CM code be used for post-COVID conditions: B94.8 Sequelae of other specified infectious and parasitic diseases Anyways, it's not uncommon to get what a disease is wrong the first time. The CDC also initially referred to HIV as GRID (gay-related immune deficiency).

spywaregorilla 5y ago

Long Covid is ill defined, not especially common (~5-15% depending on the study), usually not that serious, and correlated with the intensity of the disease (so it will be lessened with vaccines avoiding hospitalization).

BucketsMcG 5y ago
Pretty common, pretty serious. - One million self-reporting long COVID in the UK, give or take - 89% of them reporting symptoms at least 12 weeks after infection - 40% of them reporting symptoms at least one year after infection - 18.5% reporting that their ability to undertake their day-to-day activities had been "limited a lot" https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1july2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...
- AuryGlenz 5y ago
  I’ve probably had some long COVID symptoms myself, but self reporting on something like this is next to worthless. You’ve got a mix of the placebo effect with people that had COVID attributing everything negative after to it, all backed with the media constantly reminding them of long COVID.
  - utterboredom 5y ago
    Agreed. I’ve suspected that I’ve had some after effects from COVID including some sleep and lung issues but I couldn’t tell you which is from COVID and which is from gaining weight during lockdowns. Chances are that it’s just that I gained weight and need to get back into shape.
  - mmastrac 5y ago
    I think "nocebo" is the better term in this case.
    - 5y ago

deeviant 5y ago

I haven't heard of a single case of long covid after being fully vaccinated, have you?