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Author of popular Audacity fork harassed by 4chan
- lloydatkinson 5y agoI don't understand, why harass the forker when surely the real target is whoever is adding this (alleged) spyware?
- tokai 5y agoSomebody fed the trolls.
- numpad0 5y agoTrolls has special enzymes to convert ambient CO2 into glucose so quite hard to practically avoid it. IMO the only way to suppress trolls is by silencing them systematically, consistently, un-emotionally and thoroughly till their brain becomes confused as to what outcomes were to be expected. Any sign of life or gamble-able metrics coming through reignites their reward system.
- ushakov 5y agohe started a poll to choose a name for the fork and “Sneedacity” was given as an option, purely for jokes 4chan folks voted for the name after refusing to accept the name (since the the fork had a serious intent), the folks started to threaten him and his family for what followed and author’s comment, see his exact comment: https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity/issues/48#issuecomment-874555049 https://github.com/temporary-audacity/audacity/issues/48#iss...
- stavros 5y agoHow the hell do people think it's okay to call and threaten/harass someone just because they didn't pick your favorite poll option for their project? Wow.
- ianai 5y agoIt’s one of the worst trends in today’s culture. It’s ok to disagree with someone - even vehemently so. Threats of death have no place in convincing someone. It’s just tyranny.
- Huwyt_Nashi051 5y agoIt's not tyranny, and nobody is having their life threatened. It's harmless (though very annoying, of course) fun by bored internet strangers. It's very difficult for me to understand how someone could read this situation so seriously - have you never been/observed teenage boys in their natural habitat? These are not the people destroying lives by having people fired, ostracised, banned and depersoned over social or political facts and opinions.
- hluska 5y agoDid you actually read the article? This individual received hundreds of vile messages and his contacts and family members were harassed. If you think this represents teenagers in their natural habitat, either that natural habitat is a jail or you’re not aware of how deeply fucked up this is. Frankly, the little fuckers should all serve time for this. If you wanna act like a gangster from the safety of mommy’s basement, maybe it’s time to meet some real gangsters.
- legostormtroopr 5y ago> This individual received hundreds of vile messages This individual claims they received hundreds of vile messages. We can't confirm that.
- meguminloli 5y ago>This individual claims they received hundreds of vile messages Right. Looks like he deleted a message from an individual asking him for proof. I kept the archive of that. https://archive.is/9j5zn https://archive.is/9j5zn
- yangminded 5y agoThanks for the context. What a sad and despicable behavior by those people.
- creshal 5y agoSounds like everyone with a working brain left 4chan long ago and all that's left are the trolls who don't understand the concept of humour.
- AussieWog93 5y agoI was there 10 years ago. It was always this bad.
- creshal 5y agoI dunno, 15 years ago the doxxing and death threats was reserved to child molesters and animal abusers, and vote flooding done just for fun. But I guess people got too drunk on that power.
- AussieWog93 5y agoMy memories are fairly vague, but I do remember the "Pool's closed" raid leading to some random grandmother getting flooded with phone calls from /b/tards. The Chris Chan saga also started in 2007, from what I just looked up. There was definitely a gradual decline, but it was happening even back in the 00s.
- acdha 5y agoI think it’s gotten worse, especially after GamerGate led to people tasting political power, but I think “reserved” was never completely true - even in the 2000s it had the same reputation for leaking unpleasantly. Mobs are simply volatile.
- ziml77 5y agoIt's likely not the same people but instead a slow culture shift as new people come in and push the limits a little bit more. There's also a feedback loop as the more extreme actions will drive out less extreme users and attract more extreme users.
- chownie 5y ago"4chan was always this bad" is a surviving meme with no merit. 10 years ago you could have a thread without /pol/ buzzwords coming up. 10 years ago the snarl word of the day was "hipster" for god's sake, you can look back through the archives and see the decline.
- bb88 5y agoSo apparently sneedacity is a real github repo now. https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity https://github.com/Sneeds-Feed-and-Seed/sneedacity It apparently got added to the AUR but was subsequently removed. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/ Here's the google webcache: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zCMLFhkqZVwJ:https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/sneedacity-git/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zCMLFh...
- jtvjan 5y ago>but was subsequently removed The given deletion reason was pretty funny, too: “Offensive; Derogatory naming. (short for "special need"; a person who acts like a complete retard.)”[1] ‘Sneed’ is a joke from The Simpsons.[2] [1]: https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2021-July/056004.html https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-requests/2021-July... [2]: https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/b/bb/Sneed's_feed_and_seed.png https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/b/bb/Sneed's_feed_and...
- pelagicAustral 5y agoFormerly Chuck's...
- DesuDesu12 5y agoHis phone number and IRL identity are not easily available and he hasn’t posted any proof. The guy can’t even code C and only does webdev. Edit: lmao seething Learn how to google hack and check his ”cookiengineer” accounts for yourself If you have to resort to brazen and ignorant reddit-tier downvoting instead of looking for actual evidence and just shouting ”TRUST VICTAMS” you honestly do not deserve the internet.
- justshowpost 5y ago> fork had a serious intent > given option purely for jokes This doesn't mix well and looks like a rigged poll for me. Even in Tropico if you allow election and lose it you lose the mission.
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- EwanToo 5y agoThey're trolls (and worse), there is no meaningful why
- s9w 5y agoYou don't understand the issue, make no effort to do so and already know the answer. You made up your mind before entering this thread. Perhaps time for some self-reflection?
- Peos 5y agothe forker is a professional victim. he deleted his lies from twitter a few mins ago, but the drama is here to stay.
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- 0x_rs 5y agoThe threads on this matter are publicly visible on the technology board and there's no indication of personal contacts such as phone numbers being out there. It also seems a bit exaggerated to have 600 chats open simultaneously for something so small. Could this be misrepresented for internet points? The "harassments" on github seemed to be limited on name proposals..
- Anonym0u5 5y agoSsssh you're not supposed to reveal that
- Lex-KZ 5y agoIt's been a long time since I've seen a 4chan raid, and they are always ruthless. The author of the fork's comment sounds about right. This isn't cancel culture though, this is older and angrier.
- read_if_gay_ 5y ago> This isn't cancel culture Sounds about the same to me, except 4chan doesn’t pretend they’re doing good when they dox people.
- smegcicle 5y ago"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
- Lex-KZ 5y agoI'm not defending cancel culture by any means. 4chan has just been doing what they're doing longer.
- s9w 5y agoThat is not what happened, he is lying. Go to /g/ and check for yourself. Or ignore the truth and circlejerk about 4ch bad.
- g5095 5y agoThe other week they killed a SNES emulator engineer doing the same thing. (Yes I know 4chan and kiwi farms are different but it's the same old story). Law enforcement needs to get serious about tracking these kids down and putting them in prison.
- orwin 5y agoThey are bored, middle to upper class kids or young adults, with no real life project. We need emancipation, not further alienation.
- Huwyt_Nashi051 5y agoTheir responsibility there is highly objectionable. This week, they collaborated to talk a different confused and lost young man out of pursuing transsexualism, saving his life in the spiritual sense and, very likely, the physical also. So they're even, at worst.
- Yoric 5y agoOnce someone is dead, it's hard to call anything "even".
- jhgb 5y agoIt's also hard to say that you've "killed" someone if you had zero physical involvement in somebody's death. But I guess words are very flexible these days.
- Anonym0u5 5y agoIt's also hard to say you've killed someone when there's zero existing evidence of that somebody's death as well. It's also hard to say that you've killed someone when you never did that, because y'know, message boards are not one person.
- g5095 5y agoIf you take out a hit on someone you have zero physical involvement. If you order troops into a certain death situation you have zero physical involvement. If you drive someone to suicide you have zero physical involvement.. Where did you get the notion you need to be pulling the trigger to be morally responsible for someone's death? I call that killing.
- forgotpwd16 5y agoI think people have grown accustomed to moderation that immediately lose their cool when this moderation ceases to exist. Rather trying to argue or prove their skills, they should've immediately shut[^1] them down ("this name sounds bad and to reduce spamming I'll delete those issues") and proceed to not engage further, or as it was said back in the day "don't feed the trolls". Checking the 4chan archives it seem folks there became more engaged when the author started getting angry rather for the name. [^1]: But saying something that will allude to politically correctness ("cannot use it because sneed is slang? for special needs") or indifference ("fuck the haters") will be like throwing gas in the fire.
- legostormtroopr 5y agoSneed isn't slang for "special needs" - its a reference to a throw away joke in The Simpsons. "Sneeds Feed and Seed, formerly Chucks" - the humour in the joke is s/eed/uck/g. Its relevant in this context as the "joke" is the name is now "Sneeds Sneedacity, formerly Auds". https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sneeds-feed-and-seed https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sneeds-feed-and-seed
- forgotpwd16 5y agoI wasn't aware. Got it by an AUR deletion request for sneedacity fork saying that it is.
- Peos 5y agothe problem is that the majority of the internet users are clueless in general and they act as a mob. one ill-minded person spewed utter lies against a project name and then the mob jumped along him to lynch the author and the maintainer. those people don't have the decency to apologize or even try to restore what they destroyed. They only become louder and louder and ofc, try to make some money on top of it.
- Anonym0u5 5y agoYou would be surprised at how little people bother to look up information nowadays, even if it's five seconds away with Google. Don't go on hearsay, or even just a glance of Google, actually investigate what you're looking for. Edit: Boy I sure do love powertripping bundles of sticks who flag anything they can't fucking use their lips to smack down. Invalid clowns.
- renewiltord 5y agoAbout the greatest sin you can commit on the Internet is to ask for participation openly and then ignore it. It happened to YC over their “HN votes for who gets a grant” and it happened to this dude over “What do I call this fork?” Contrastingly, Pitbull is beloved for his choice to go to Kodiak after a joke campaign to send him there managed to manipulate the Facebook poll he posted. Of course people will have half a dozen reasons why their participation in this thing is meaningful but this sort of thing is a strong predictor for their behaviour.
- jonnycomputer 5y agoYeah, then fork it your their own damn selves. Right? I'd not be sorry to see these punks do time over it.
- tasogare 5y agoWhat about turning the phone or at least the sound off? People could "raid" my phone number I would barely notice it at all if not for the (now small) call UI poping up. Seems people really like to play the victim even when the fix cannot be simpler.
- nextlevelwizard 5y agoI mean you can give it a try by posting your phone number on 4channel and seeing what happens
- meguminloli 5y agoI wouldn't do that. But give me a single piece of proof that his phone number is 4channel. The fact is people are searching for his number, but it's nowhere to be found.
- nextlevelwizard 5y agoNot my burden of proof to bear, that wasn't OP's argument at all.
- legostormtroopr 5y agoIs there anything to support a claim of a 4chan raid? There are a less than 5 closed issues of a very tame nature. This seems like an attempt to garner sympathy to make their fork the "offical new fork of Audacity" [edit] Why is this comment being flagged - is asking for evidence bad now?
- TLLtchvL8KZ 5y ago>Why is this comment being flagged - is asking for evidence bad now? Seems so. The author, cookieguy when challenged about these claims starts deleting tweets/comments they have made. It seems an awful lot to me that the cookieguy is drumming all this up on purpose to get peoples attention or sympathy, etc like you suggest may be the case. Some of the screenshots I've seen where he goes on huge rants that make little sense tell me the guy may have some mental issues.
- arboles 5y agoReminder the author of the "privacy fork" of Audacity worked to de-anonymize TOR and I2P traffic. Concerns expressed by users on the project's github page kept getting deleted.
- Retr0id 5y agoSo they helped harden Tor and I2P, and have a solid background/understanding of network privacy? I can only see that as a point in their favor.
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- boba7 5y agoYe bullshit. Stop with the drama and censorship.
- Peos 5y agoin reply to the: https://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid=7rJlpt15ubraIA6NiVnIBS&fnop=comment-reject https://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid=7rJlpt15ubraIA6NiVnIBS&f... https://archive.is/9j5zn https://archive.is/9j5zn Yeah, I saw that too, but he only posted claims and not any proof. It looks kinda shady. Well I didn't like the elimination of alternatives from the github poll because they didn't follow the agenda of the mods of the fork, but now I am alarmed with this thing. They haven't even started working on the project and they are already talking about monetizing it. How are you going to ask for people's money if you haven't done any work? Seem to me like those professional victims that make money from "soft" people. I hope there was no-one who was guilt-tripped to throw money to those individuals. ==== the sad part is that websites like hn are echo chamber for twitter drama and on top of that incubate and protect such narratives.
- JasonFruit 5y agoIt strikes me that the real mistake here was setting up an online poll to name something in 2021. If you're going to do that, and if you're going to include a joke name you're not willing to accept if it wins, you're kind of inviting 4chan to the party, and by this time we all know how that's likely to go.