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I live in Sweden, the west coast. A friend is from the UK and he described my town as a paradise compared to London. The ocean is like 10-30 minutes away. The

by Flow 5y ago

I live in Sweden, the west coast. A friend is from the UK and he described my town as a paradise compared to London. The ocean is like 10-30 minutes away. The coast line is incredible and free for all to enjoy. He describes his work in London as strict dress code. 1+h sweaty and crowdy train+metro rides(and the same to get home). Long work days. Dressing is casual. Work is probably <30 mins by car(I have 15 mins single-way, car and bike take similar times). I even have coworkers who jog to work a few times a week. Showers and sauna are available at work. Work hours are flexible. He said good food is cheap here. There are excellent restaurants that cost much less than similar ones in London. Since mid-March, I've been taking 2-3h lunches on the cliffs by the ocean if it's a sunny day. Just laying there listening to the nature. Takes 20 minutes door to ocean for me. For me this is a high quality of life. How can you put a price on things like this, especially when you(stereotypical US IT worker) have little to no paid vacation, work 8-12h a day, sometimes even on the weekends?

nivenkos 5y ago
Yeah, I also live in Sweden now :) being able to walk everywhere, take a proper break at lunch is really nice I can't afford a car here though (no parking in Stockholm!)
bquest2 5y ago
> you(stereotypical US IT worker) have little to no paid vacation, work 8-12h a day, sometimes even on the weekends? Oddly defensive considering that a) nobody in the thread seems to be american and b) none of those things apply to your average google employee (the original subject that was being discussed)
- subroutine 5y ago
  As an american, I'm curious how much PTO you guys get. Personally I get 10 vacation days per year and accrue 8 hours PTO per pay period. This ends up being about 34 paid vacation days per year. Perhaps this is a uniquely american problem, but I doubt very many people at my company actually uses their 30+ vacation days.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    In the US, I get something similar. I have basically never not used pretty much every hour I'm entitled to.
  - secondcoming 5y ago
    In the UK PTO is usually between 25-27 days. This doesn't include bank holidays.
    - room271 5y ago
      Yes, but also it is not uncommon (I think) for companies to allow you to buy extra holiday. So, for example, my company allows you to buy an extra week, which I always do.
  - oblio 5y ago
    > Perhaps this is a uniquely american problem, but I doubt very many people at my company actually uses their 30+ vacation days. That's actually the American problem. For the bunch of European countries where I've worked/interacted a lot with, most people don't have days off left at the end of the year, or maybe have a handful. And there are some periods when people are gone for long stretches of time (2+ weeks). In France August is practically a national holiday, it's super common to send someone an email in late July and get a reply saying: "I'll be back in early September". From what I've seen from my US colleagues, they usually take a peppering of 1-2-3 days or maybe a week at most, and if they do have a ton of days off, I can't imagine they use them up. In Romania I had a case where I had some PTO days saved and I went away on December 20 or so and came back on February 3 (got a bit lucky that year with public holidays, but still).
  - Flow 5y ago
    Swede here. I have a fairly standard Swedish industry vacation. 5 weeks plus ~1.5 week of hours I can take part of days. In addition to that there are also other holidays which I'm not working and doesn't count towards my vacation days. I usually take 4 weeks in July. Then vacation/time off just before Christmas until a week after New Year. I have friends who instead of increased salary have asked for more vacation weeks, and have now 7 weeks of vacation. And they use it every year.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
I think like with everything, it depends on where you live in the country. Another commenter mentioned no car, because living in Stockholm, where I'm sure the price of housing has skyrocketed up as well. Same thing in London, big urban center. But if you are able to move out into the country, quality of life can improve markedly, especially if you earn the same as you do / can in London. Same in NL where I live. I'm relatively lucky in that I got a smallish modernish two bedroom house with a driveway, small back yard, etc, but most people can't afford this (hell, housing prices have gone up so much that even I can't afford this house anymore if I were to buy it now!) even if it becomes available on the market. Meanwhile, my parents live up north, bought a house in the 70's while mortgage rates were >10%, a four bedroom house with a big front- and back yard, which they've turned into their own little paradise (lots of plants, fish pond, roofed sitting area with a box of sigars, etc). Long term we might end up moving there, but besides our son's school and social life, the biggest factor there is work and income. It may be more feasible with remote work which I've done for the past year and a half now, but not in the current market where every somewhat decent house put up for sale gets hundreds of interested people.

by Flow 5y ago

nivenkos 5y ago

Yeah, I also live in Sweden now :) being able to walk everywhere, take a proper break at lunch is really nice I can't afford a car here though (no parking in Stockholm!)

bquest2 5y ago

> you(stereotypical US IT worker) have little to no paid vacation, work 8-12h a day, sometimes even on the weekends? Oddly defensive considering that a) nobody in the thread seems to be american and b) none of those things apply to your average google employee (the original subject that was being discussed)

subroutine 5y ago
As an american, I'm curious how much PTO you guys get. Personally I get 10 vacation days per year and accrue 8 hours PTO per pay period. This ends up being about 34 paid vacation days per year. Perhaps this is a uniquely american problem, but I doubt very many people at my company actually uses their 30+ vacation days.
- ghaff 5y ago
  In the US, I get something similar. I have basically never not used pretty much every hour I'm entitled to.
- secondcoming 5y ago
  In the UK PTO is usually between 25-27 days. This doesn't include bank holidays.
  - room271 5y ago
    Yes, but also it is not uncommon (I think) for companies to allow you to buy extra holiday. So, for example, my company allows you to buy an extra week, which I always do.
- oblio 5y ago
  > Perhaps this is a uniquely american problem, but I doubt very many people at my company actually uses their 30+ vacation days. That's actually the American problem. For the bunch of European countries where I've worked/interacted a lot with, most people don't have days off left at the end of the year, or maybe have a handful. And there are some periods when people are gone for long stretches of time (2+ weeks). In France August is practically a national holiday, it's super common to send someone an email in late July and get a reply saying: "I'll be back in early September". From what I've seen from my US colleagues, they usually take a peppering of 1-2-3 days or maybe a week at most, and if they do have a ton of days off, I can't imagine they use them up. In Romania I had a case where I had some PTO days saved and I went away on December 20 or so and came back on February 3 (got a bit lucky that year with public holidays, but still).
- Flow 5y ago
  Swede here. I have a fairly standard Swedish industry vacation. 5 weeks plus ~1.5 week of hours I can take part of days. In addition to that there are also other holidays which I'm not working and doesn't count towards my vacation days. I usually take 4 weeks in July. Then vacation/time off just before Christmas until a week after New Year. I have friends who instead of increased salary have asked for more vacation weeks, and have now 7 weeks of vacation. And they use it every year.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

I think like with everything, it depends on where you live in the country. Another commenter mentioned no car, because living in Stockholm, where I'm sure the price of housing has skyrocketed up as well. Same thing in London, big urban center. But if you are able to move out into the country, quality of life can improve markedly, especially if you earn the same as you do / can in London. Same in NL where I live. I'm relatively lucky in that I got a smallish modernish two bedroom house with a driveway, small back yard, etc, but most people can't afford this (hell, housing prices have gone up so much that even I can't afford this house anymore if I were to buy it now!) even if it becomes available on the market. Meanwhile, my parents live up north, bought a house in the 70's while mortgage rates were >10%, a four bedroom house with a big front- and back yard, which they've turned into their own little paradise (lots of plants, fish pond, roofed sitting area with a box of sigars, etc). Long term we might end up moving there, but besides our son's school and social life, the biggest factor there is work and income. It may be more feasible with remote work which I've done for the past year and a half now, but not in the current market where every somewhat decent house put up for sale gets hundreds of interested people.