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How would it be meaningful when the rent you need to pay in Munich is several times what you need to live in eastern Poland?

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> How would it be meaningful when the rent you need to pay in Munich is several times what you need to live in eastern Poland? Not advocating for this. But the assumption would be if you can’t afford Munich, move.
zozbot234 5y ago
There is no inherent right to live in Munich, whilst there is a natural right to life and a decent subsistence even for those who cannot immediately secure gainful employment. UBI is about securing the latter, not the former - and doing it at the lowest possible cost.
- wyager 5y ago
  > There is no inherent right to live in Munich, while there is a natural right to life and a decent subsistence even for those who cannot immediately secure gainful employment. Why do you believe in one and not the other? I don't see any compelling categorical difference between either of these. The latter just "feels better" because "life and decency" are positively connoted. In both cases, the "right" is that person A has to pay the cost for person B to live a certain way. If you restricted your argument, to, say, a "right" to the bare minimum nutritional supply to survive, that would be categorically different. However, that's not an issue in the EU anyway.
- anoncake 5y ago
  Yes, there is a natural right to live where you're at home.
  - nradov 5y ago
    So if at some point I have a home in, let's say Beverly Hills, then I have a natural right to live there for the rest of my life?
    - anoncake 5y ago
      Possibly.
- hef19898 5y ago
  The EU is no unified entity. Fot obvious reasons, any UBI would be adapted to local circumstances. Side note, unemployment benefits are based the last salaries already, as a result they tend to reach the cap more often in places like Munich than the Polish border. Social security is not based on region, any rent subsidies are so. And while there is no right to live in Munich, there the right to live where you want. Or to continue to live in the place you already live, if not necessarily the house or apartment.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> How would it be meaningful when the rent you need to pay in Munich is several times what you need to live in eastern Poland? Not advocating for this. But the assumption would be if you can’t afford Munich, move.

zozbot234 5y ago

There is no inherent right to live in Munich, whilst there is a natural right to life and a decent subsistence even for those who cannot immediately secure gainful employment. UBI is about securing the latter, not the former - and doing it at the lowest possible cost.

wyager 5y ago
> There is no inherent right to live in Munich, while there is a natural right to life and a decent subsistence even for those who cannot immediately secure gainful employment. Why do you believe in one and not the other? I don't see any compelling categorical difference between either of these. The latter just "feels better" because "life and decency" are positively connoted. In both cases, the "right" is that person A has to pay the cost for person B to live a certain way. If you restricted your argument, to, say, a "right" to the bare minimum nutritional supply to survive, that would be categorically different. However, that's not an issue in the EU anyway.
anoncake 5y ago
Yes, there is a natural right to live where you're at home.
- nradov 5y ago
  So if at some point I have a home in, let's say Beverly Hills, then I have a natural right to live there for the rest of my life?
  - anoncake 5y ago
    Possibly.
hef19898 5y ago
The EU is no unified entity. Fot obvious reasons, any UBI would be adapted to local circumstances. Side note, unemployment benefits are based the last salaries already, as a result they tend to reach the cap more often in places like Munich than the Polish border. Social security is not based on region, any rent subsidies are so. And while there is no right to live in Munich, there the right to live where you want. Or to continue to live in the place you already live, if not necessarily the house or apartment.