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This article seems very US-centric, I'd like to know what the situation is in other countries. I will start with mine, Spain. Here, every ISP offers symmetrica

This article seems very US-centric, I'd like to know what the situation is in other countries. I will start with mine, Spain. Here, every ISP offers symmetrical speeds since they became a selling point some years ago. It seems like the minimum speed nowadays is 100Mbps with 600Mbps as the average and 1Gbps in the most expensive packages. Right now I am living in a little village in a very rural area where a local company offers 300Mbps (symmetrical, of course).

justshowpost 5y ago
It is intentionally very US-centric because they are discussing sort of Obamanet to be provided for every household on taxpayers' money. Specifically, they are targeting an old CATV technology which is delivering the last mile service by coaxial cable (typically alredy existing) and asymmetrical by both design and low layer implementation. Still very popular in the US due the population density.
- User23 5y ago
  Huge swaths of the USA aren’t served by cable. While Starlink aims to serve the world, rural USA is where they’re going to make their money.
KozmoNau7 5y ago
Here in Denmark, most connections are asymmetrical, unless you specifically buy a business subscription, where you can get a symmetrical connection. The exception is fiber, where all connections are symmetrical, which has become a selling point. Speeds go up to 1000/100 on cable and 1000/1000 on fiber. I've got 100/100 on fiber, which is plenty fast for two people with our current usage.
hypertele-Xii 5y ago
In Finland it is a citizen's right to receive 2 megabits down. So this is available nation-wide. I have 10/1 Mbit free of charge at home, the operator event sent me a modem free of charge. This might be a deal the housing cooperative (equivalent) has with the operator though, I'm only renting. In my experience connections are mostly asymmetrical, in the 10-100 Mbit range down and a tenth of it up. Costs are very low compared to the world, $5-20/mo or so. Usually ADSL, sometimes cable. Downtown in a bigger city I once got lucky and had like 1 Gbit symmetrical for $12/mo. It was kinda crazy, anything you could think of downloaded in less than a minute. It was faster to download from the Internet than to transfer files over USB.
- outime 5y ago
  > This might be a deal the housing cooperative (equivalent) has with the operator though, I'm only renting. Yes it is. I imagine most of the people upgrade the base speed amyway and you can get it pretty cheap e.g. 100/100 for 10 €/month which IMHO is very reasonable. I wish other countries like Spain would follow this model because it’s very affordable for everyone.
Const-me 5y ago
In Montenegro, most ISPs are very asymmetrical. I have 120 mbit/sec download but only 6 mbit/sec upload, the tech is DOCSIS. One way to get better upload speed is corporate contracts, but they are expensive, hard to setup and availability is limited. Fortunately, the new wireless stuff is symmetrical. I’ve tried one of them for a few months as an experiment, measured 40 mbit/sec both upload and download, the tech is LTE.
sen 5y ago
In Australia symmetrical is only for bigger businesses. Every home connection is asymmetrical, with the common ones being 25/5, 50/20, or 100/20. There’s outliers if you’re willing to pay more (I’m on 250/50 and there’s 1000/50 if you’ll pay upwards of $150/mth) but the first 3 are the default/common plans on our national broadband.
- madengr 5y ago
  1000/40 is $270/month here in USA. Fortunately Google Fiber just dug up the neighborhood so hopefully I’ll have 2000/1000 before the end of the year, for 1/2 that cost.
  - bitexploder 5y ago
    I am at like 940/940, but it will sustain a little more, basically 1000-1050 down/up, for ~$85 in the Denver area.
  - smolder 5y ago
    It depends on where you are. Especially if you're in an area with competition. In the rare places there are two good providers, it's going to be $100+ cheaper.
  - hn_go_brrrrr 5y ago
    Google Fiber is still expanding? I thought they stopped a few years back.
- magnetowasright 5y ago
  250/50 sounds amazing. How much per month does that cost? Is it unlimited or with a data cap? Are you inner city or right next to a node, if you don’t mind me asking? I’m in a ‘regional centre’ and while ISPs are happy to charge us for 50/20 or 100/20 plans, we just can’t/won’t get those speeds here (even before the pandemic and the work from home shift). It’s so frustrating trying to help out less tech savvy family and explaining that they’re basically getting the broadband speeds they had before and that’s all they’ll get on this NBN (if they’re lucky), and that paying more than the minimum $70/month for higher speeds is throwing money away.
elorant 5y ago
In Greece no ISP offers symmetrical. Fiber connections are 50/5, 100/10, and 200/20. There was a pilot program for 1Gbit symmetrical but it never made it to consumer market.
- sakisv 5y ago
  No major ISP that is. There are some smaller ones that offer symmetrical (like hcn) but you need to be lucky to be covered by their network.
- macns 5y ago
  Some of my business customers pay for 50/50mbps fiber to the building (dedicated) line for 500€/month. 100/100mbps costs about 800/month. Residential broadband excluding Athens is mostly down to 50/5mbps and in many suburbs in cities (e.g. Khania, Crete) don't even get more than 1mbps upload. Yet we have politicians and commercials all day showing how '5G' will change our lives. It's a joke.
- lifty 5y ago
  Greece is truly embarrassing when it comes to data services, both for wired connections and data on mobile contracts. Why is that? Is the market cornered by some monopoly/oligopoly?
  - elorant 5y ago
    Practically what we have is a cartel. Three major players with similar pricing. Government has no real intention to intervene because one company is half owned by the public sector. It's a fucking disgrace when you compare prices with rest of Europe. Even less developed countries are way cheaper. As someone else mentioned there are some smaller players who give kind of symmetrical but their coverage is way too small, like 10% of major metropolitan areas and nowhere else.
belval 5y ago
Canada (near Montreal), I get 400/40 for about ~50$/month through a building deal (I pay my landlord who pays the ISP). The connection is dedicated so my neighbours' usage does not affect my speed. Before that I had 120/20 with a company called Fizz and paid about 60$. At least over here everything is asymmetrical and has been for as far as I can remember.
- digianarchist 5y ago
  Telus are rolling out 2.5Gbps up/down in Calgary but it's $170 a month.
rayiner 5y ago
This is download only, but in the Ookla data, the US has similar speeds to Spain. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/internet-speeds-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/internet-... (It looks like Spain has caught up in the last few years.)
- smolder 5y ago
  Download-only being a serious disadvantage seemed like the point of this post. US internet service from the pseudo-monopolist cablecos and telcos generally being overpriced and subpar seems like the theme of the comments, and they're correct. The counterarguments you typically hear about it being hard/expensive to provide such services in the US due to geography and population distribution are, in my strong opinion, nothing more than industry propaganda and a poor excuse.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    I’ve got symmetric 2 gbps at home, and frankly I struggle to find a purpose for it. I think for the vast majority of people, download speeds are the important thing. It’s also worth noting that, while cable has various limitations, it was an earlier-deployed technology. So while Spain has closed the gap recently, the US enjoyed a healthy lead over the last decade. (For example in Akamai’s 2015 study, Spain was #30 and the US was #20.) As to the difficulty and expense of serving the US—what’s your opinion based on? It’s easy to blame the “industry.” But it’s not like the US public sector is great at building infrastructure. Here in Maryland we are building 16 miles of light rail in the middle of existing suburban streets for the same price as Copenhagen spent to build 16 miles of fully automated subway. Building any kind of infrastructure in the US is very difficult and expensive for various legal reasons.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      Running some fiber is in no way comparable to building light rail. It is simply not done because Comcast and their ilk want to sit there and collect money without investing in upgrades, and even lobbied to prevent voters from getting it installed themselves on a city level. Also, 1Gbps+ symmetric fiber connections can allow for lots of things, like hosting videos yourself, or running your own backup service for your devices. A family of four can easily use it by streaming high definition media and data up and down. It opens the door to not having to rely on FAANG to host and serve personal content, maybe even allowing for federated services again.
bschwindHN 5y ago
Japan: 2Gbps down, 1Gbps up, 5190 yen (~$48) per month. Kicks the shit out of anything I ever had in the states.
irjustin 5y ago
Singapore, 1 Gbps up & down, S$42.99/month (~US$32) via MyRepublic, fiber to my router. Speedtest shows avg 350 Mbps up & down (wifi limited), plenty of headroom if I needed wired. Blows the water out of anything I used to get in Seattle (read this comcast!!).
learc83 5y ago
I’m in the US (Chattanooga municipal internet). $67 per month for 1 Gigabit symmetrical.
Smithalicious 5y ago
Here in the Netherlands symmetrical speeds are not common at all. I pay €30 per month for 100/30. I could get faster download but not significantly faster upload
- woutgaze 5y ago
  In the Amsterdam area there is ftth available. I have 500/500 for € 55.
  - Smithalicious 5y ago
    I guess it's a YMMV thing, I live far from Amsterdam. Shouldn't have been so quick to extrapolate to the whole country.
- adriancr 5y ago
  T-Mobile, 40Euros per month - 1gbps symmetrical fiber if you are in a supported area.
atomt 5y ago
Norway. Most of the FTTH plans seems to be symmetrical, anything from 100Mbps to 1Gbps. Some GPON based networks will hold back upstream at 500Mbps max (but they are fairly rare. Most is active ethernet anyway, not GPON) FTTH is quickly taking over with over 70% coverage in homes passed. Pretty sure I saw less dense areas (rural?) had hit 60% last year according to some goverment report. DSL is practically dead and "Fiber to the Cabinet" never really happened here. Coax is shrinking. Those still using these technologies are of course getting asymmetrical down/up. Some "Fiber to the Building" exists but mostly with copper ethernet to the housing unit, so its practically full FTTH. Things that could be better is: - pricing, it's not exactly great most places, although smart HoAs can usually get decent pricing if they actually try. - the networks are very rarely open access, local monopolies are rife. I've been on 1Gbps/1Gbps open access FTTH since ~2014, coming from 300/20 cable.
__mp 5y ago
Switzerland, I’m getting 1, 10 or 25gbit (ptp) from my local isp (https://www.init7.net https://www.init7.net) for ~70 usd per month. I currently only use 1gbit because the 25/10gbit hardware is too big or too loud to fit into my electrical cabinet. There’s also cheaper 1/10 gbit options, but they suffer from massive oversubscription and gpon.
kaetemi 5y ago
Philippines, 200Mbps symmetrical, $38 per month, provincial area.
eh9 5y ago
USA, California - 500Mbps symmetrical - $100
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  USA, PNW, 940Mbps symmetrical - $65 per month
darthrupert 5y ago
Finland, 30km from nearest small town. Internet connection is 600/300Mbps 5G costing roughly 40 euros per mo. No data caps of course.
hokumguru 5y ago
USA, Nebraska 1000 symmetric $100/mo
petters 5y ago
Stockholm, Sweden. 10000/10000, $40/mo. But that of course requires rather expensive equipment at home to saturate. They don't guarantee that bandwidth though. But you can reach it sometimes.
- xxs 5y ago
  Telia is pretty darn good - tier 1 provider, symmetric up/down. Sweden/Norway/Denmark and the Baltics. Oddly enough Finland versions of the offers are rather asymmetric.
- adriancr 5y ago
  That is a nice connection, if you don't mind, what equipment are you using for that?, and any caveats?, just curious how expensive this would be overall for a home connection
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  - petters 5y ago
    Switch: https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/unmanaged-switch/tl-sx1008/ https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/unmanaged-swi... The ISP provides the router but there is e.g. this one now that seems good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-ax206/#overview https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/arche...
    - petters 5y ago
      The Dream Machine Pro also seems very good for this.
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stkdump 5y ago
Upload speeds for fiber in Germany are between 5% and 50% of download speeds, most of them 20%. It's strange because for DSL there was a technical reason to do this. Before DSL internet connections were always symmetric. Now it seems that people got used to it and providers probably think they make more money that way? Because the power users who would like fast upload have to buy even faster download speeds.
- wink 5y ago
  Yeah, that sounds like the reason people seem to agree on. Why give the customers 100/100 if you can give them 100/10 and sell 100/100 for a premium? Also for Germany, I still think you're really lucky if you get fiber at all. Sometimes small villages get it and in big cities only in certain neighborhoods.
  - stkdump 5y ago
    I can choose between 50/10, 500/100 and 1000/200. Some providers stop at 1000/50, though.
- bewo001 5y ago
  The FTTH GPON standard is inherently asymmetric as well. In densely populated areas it is much cheaper than point to point fiber, so you will see asymmetric speed in contracts for quite some time. And of course marketing people really love price differentiation, and speed asymmetry is one of the few parameters customers actually understand (unlike most QoS offerings).
jdblair 5y ago
It doesn't "seem" US centric, it is deliberately so. It is about US broadband policy.
Nitramp 5y ago
In Germany: 300/100 MBit for 40 €.
- majewsky 5y ago
  Depends on the provider. My 40 € contract with Vodafone Cable (ex Kabel Deutschland) gets me 250/25 down/up.
bayindirh 5y ago
Reporting from Turkey. Infrastructure is being migrated to FTTx. Which means you can have xDSL or direct fiber to endpoint. In case of xDSL, DSLAMs are distributed to the FTTx boxes, hence no more "distance to post office" woes. Speeds are asymmetrical. ADSL's upload is a joke (50KB/sec in reality), but VDSL2 provides really good Download/4 upload speeds (this is the nature of the VDSL2). My home connection is 24/6Mbps, with true to promises speeds 7/24. Fiber is available up to 10Gbps, but they're not cheap, and not available everywhere. Speeds are again asymmetrical. I think asymmetrical speeds are not big limiters after a certain point, but a symmetrical line always would be better. My home is wired for xDSL, so no ethernet conduits or fiber termination anywhere, and I'm happy with my speeds (for now). However, having a symmetrical network connection at office which is limited by interface limits is a big factor in this happiness.
- elorant 5y ago
  Do you happen to have more information on pricing for >1Gbit connections?
  - bayindirh 5y ago
    Tried to find them while writing the comment, but failed. I was able to find them this time: Looks like 1gbps is ₺875/mo on average (first three months is cheaper, remaining nine is more expensive) if you promise to use it for 12 months. Has 20mbps upload. 10gpbs is ₺8000/mo, but you have to sign a 24 month contract for it. Has 50mbps upload. They're extremely asymmetrical, needlessly expensive. It's like a data hoarder's dream, but I don't know what will they do if you manage to saturate the bandwidth for a considerable amount of time.
smasty 5y ago
In Slovakia, if you live in an apartment building you can usually get up to 1Gbps/100Mbps FTTx or DOCSIS for around 30€, with some providers limiting upload to only 5% of download (so e.g. 1000/50). Some local providers might offer symmetric, but that's an exception. Most people are probably on cheaper plans in the 200-300Mbit download range for ~15€. If you live in a detached house though, your only option is usually xDSL where you're lucky to get 15/1Mbit for ~20€ if you live "further from the post office". Fixed wireless (LTE) usually offers better speeds if it's not oversubscribed in your area (40/40Mbit) but is not available everywhere, is more expensive and includes data caps. Fiber to individual houses is mostly possible only in new developments, as you can't run new wiring on poles in Slovakia, only in the ground, so no ISP bothers to upgrade older houses.
herbst 5y ago
Switzerland here. We have both, traditional ones with bad uploads and trendy small providers with ex. 1Gbps symmetrical. In some cities this is even one of the cheapest options. Right now I only have 4G, and given that I don't have many neighbors but a antenna nearby it works great too

justshowpost 5y ago

It is intentionally very US-centric because they are discussing sort of Obamanet to be provided for every household on taxpayers' money. Specifically, they are targeting an old CATV technology which is delivering the last mile service by coaxial cable (typically alredy existing) and asymmetrical by both design and low layer implementation. Still very popular in the US due the population density.

User23 5y ago
Huge swaths of the USA aren’t served by cable. While Starlink aims to serve the world, rural USA is where they’re going to make their money.

KozmoNau7 5y ago

Here in Denmark, most connections are asymmetrical, unless you specifically buy a business subscription, where you can get a symmetrical connection. The exception is fiber, where all connections are symmetrical, which has become a selling point. Speeds go up to 1000/100 on cable and 1000/1000 on fiber. I've got 100/100 on fiber, which is plenty fast for two people with our current usage.

hypertele-Xii 5y ago

In Finland it is a citizen's right to receive 2 megabits down. So this is available nation-wide. I have 10/1 Mbit free of charge at home, the operator event sent me a modem free of charge. This might be a deal the housing cooperative (equivalent) has with the operator though, I'm only renting. In my experience connections are mostly asymmetrical, in the 10-100 Mbit range down and a tenth of it up. Costs are very low compared to the world, $5-20/mo or so. Usually ADSL, sometimes cable. Downtown in a bigger city I once got lucky and had like 1 Gbit symmetrical for $12/mo. It was kinda crazy, anything you could think of downloaded in less than a minute. It was faster to download from the Internet than to transfer files over USB.

outime 5y ago
> This might be a deal the housing cooperative (equivalent) has with the operator though, I'm only renting. Yes it is. I imagine most of the people upgrade the base speed amyway and you can get it pretty cheap e.g. 100/100 for 10 €/month which IMHO is very reasonable. I wish other countries like Spain would follow this model because it’s very affordable for everyone.

Const-me 5y ago

In Montenegro, most ISPs are very asymmetrical. I have 120 mbit/sec download but only 6 mbit/sec upload, the tech is DOCSIS. One way to get better upload speed is corporate contracts, but they are expensive, hard to setup and availability is limited. Fortunately, the new wireless stuff is symmetrical. I’ve tried one of them for a few months as an experiment, measured 40 mbit/sec both upload and download, the tech is LTE.

sen 5y ago

In Australia symmetrical is only for bigger businesses. Every home connection is asymmetrical, with the common ones being 25/5, 50/20, or 100/20. There’s outliers if you’re willing to pay more (I’m on 250/50 and there’s 1000/50 if you’ll pay upwards of $150/mth) but the first 3 are the default/common plans on our national broadband.

madengr 5y ago
1000/40 is $270/month here in USA. Fortunately Google Fiber just dug up the neighborhood so hopefully I’ll have 2000/1000 before the end of the year, for 1/2 that cost.
- bitexploder 5y ago
  I am at like 940/940, but it will sustain a little more, basically 1000-1050 down/up, for ~$85 in the Denver area.
- smolder 5y ago
  It depends on where you are. Especially if you're in an area with competition. In the rare places there are two good providers, it's going to be $100+ cheaper.
- hn_go_brrrrr 5y ago
  Google Fiber is still expanding? I thought they stopped a few years back.
magnetowasright 5y ago
250/50 sounds amazing. How much per month does that cost? Is it unlimited or with a data cap? Are you inner city or right next to a node, if you don’t mind me asking? I’m in a ‘regional centre’ and while ISPs are happy to charge us for 50/20 or 100/20 plans, we just can’t/won’t get those speeds here (even before the pandemic and the work from home shift). It’s so frustrating trying to help out less tech savvy family and explaining that they’re basically getting the broadband speeds they had before and that’s all they’ll get on this NBN (if they’re lucky), and that paying more than the minimum $70/month for higher speeds is throwing money away.

elorant 5y ago

In Greece no ISP offers symmetrical. Fiber connections are 50/5, 100/10, and 200/20. There was a pilot program for 1Gbit symmetrical but it never made it to consumer market.

sakisv 5y ago
No major ISP that is. There are some smaller ones that offer symmetrical (like hcn) but you need to be lucky to be covered by their network.
macns 5y ago
Some of my business customers pay for 50/50mbps fiber to the building (dedicated) line for 500€/month. 100/100mbps costs about 800/month. Residential broadband excluding Athens is mostly down to 50/5mbps and in many suburbs in cities (e.g. Khania, Crete) don't even get more than 1mbps upload. Yet we have politicians and commercials all day showing how '5G' will change our lives. It's a joke.
lifty 5y ago
Greece is truly embarrassing when it comes to data services, both for wired connections and data on mobile contracts. Why is that? Is the market cornered by some monopoly/oligopoly?
- elorant 5y ago
  Practically what we have is a cartel. Three major players with similar pricing. Government has no real intention to intervene because one company is half owned by the public sector. It's a fucking disgrace when you compare prices with rest of Europe. Even less developed countries are way cheaper. As someone else mentioned there are some smaller players who give kind of symmetrical but their coverage is way too small, like 10% of major metropolitan areas and nowhere else.

belval 5y ago

Canada (near Montreal), I get 400/40 for about ~50$/month through a building deal (I pay my landlord who pays the ISP). The connection is dedicated so my neighbours' usage does not affect my speed. Before that I had 120/20 with a company called Fizz and paid about 60$. At least over here everything is asymmetrical and has been for as far as I can remember.

digianarchist 5y ago
Telus are rolling out 2.5Gbps up/down in Calgary but it's $170 a month.

rayiner 5y ago

This is download only, but in the Ookla data, the US has similar speeds to Spain. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/internet-speeds-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/internet-... (It looks like Spain has caught up in the last few years.)

smolder 5y ago
Download-only being a serious disadvantage seemed like the point of this post. US internet service from the pseudo-monopolist cablecos and telcos generally being overpriced and subpar seems like the theme of the comments, and they're correct. The counterarguments you typically hear about it being hard/expensive to provide such services in the US due to geography and population distribution are, in my strong opinion, nothing more than industry propaganda and a poor excuse.
- rayiner 5y ago
  I’ve got symmetric 2 gbps at home, and frankly I struggle to find a purpose for it. I think for the vast majority of people, download speeds are the important thing. It’s also worth noting that, while cable has various limitations, it was an earlier-deployed technology. So while Spain has closed the gap recently, the US enjoyed a healthy lead over the last decade. (For example in Akamai’s 2015 study, Spain was #30 and the US was #20.) As to the difficulty and expense of serving the US—what’s your opinion based on? It’s easy to blame the “industry.” But it’s not like the US public sector is great at building infrastructure. Here in Maryland we are building 16 miles of light rail in the middle of existing suburban streets for the same price as Copenhagen spent to build 16 miles of fully automated subway. Building any kind of infrastructure in the US is very difficult and expensive for various legal reasons.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    Running some fiber is in no way comparable to building light rail. It is simply not done because Comcast and their ilk want to sit there and collect money without investing in upgrades, and even lobbied to prevent voters from getting it installed themselves on a city level. Also, 1Gbps+ symmetric fiber connections can allow for lots of things, like hosting videos yourself, or running your own backup service for your devices. A family of four can easily use it by streaming high definition media and data up and down. It opens the door to not having to rely on FAANG to host and serve personal content, maybe even allowing for federated services again.

bschwindHN 5y ago

Japan: 2Gbps down, 1Gbps up, 5190 yen (~$48) per month. Kicks the shit out of anything I ever had in the states.

irjustin 5y ago

Singapore, 1 Gbps up & down, S$42.99/month (~US$32) via MyRepublic, fiber to my router. Speedtest shows avg 350 Mbps up & down (wifi limited), plenty of headroom if I needed wired. Blows the water out of anything I used to get in Seattle (read this comcast!!).

learc83 5y ago

I’m in the US (Chattanooga municipal internet). $67 per month for 1 Gigabit symmetrical.

Smithalicious 5y ago

Here in the Netherlands symmetrical speeds are not common at all. I pay €30 per month for 100/30. I could get faster download but not significantly faster upload

woutgaze 5y ago
In the Amsterdam area there is ftth available. I have 500/500 for € 55.
- Smithalicious 5y ago
  I guess it's a YMMV thing, I live far from Amsterdam. Shouldn't have been so quick to extrapolate to the whole country.
adriancr 5y ago
T-Mobile, 40Euros per month - 1gbps symmetrical fiber if you are in a supported area.

atomt 5y ago

Norway. Most of the FTTH plans seems to be symmetrical, anything from 100Mbps to 1Gbps. Some GPON based networks will hold back upstream at 500Mbps max (but they are fairly rare. Most is active ethernet anyway, not GPON) FTTH is quickly taking over with over 70% coverage in homes passed. Pretty sure I saw less dense areas (rural?) had hit 60% last year according to some goverment report. DSL is practically dead and "Fiber to the Cabinet" never really happened here. Coax is shrinking. Those still using these technologies are of course getting asymmetrical down/up. Some "Fiber to the Building" exists but mostly with copper ethernet to the housing unit, so its practically full FTTH. Things that could be better is: - pricing, it's not exactly great most places, although smart HoAs can usually get decent pricing if they actually try. - the networks are very rarely open access, local monopolies are rife. I've been on 1Gbps/1Gbps open access FTTH since ~2014, coming from 300/20 cable.

__mp 5y ago

Switzerland, I’m getting 1, 10 or 25gbit (ptp) from my local isp (https://www.init7.net https://www.init7.net) for ~70 usd per month. I currently only use 1gbit because the 25/10gbit hardware is too big or too loud to fit into my electrical cabinet. There’s also cheaper 1/10 gbit options, but they suffer from massive oversubscription and gpon.

kaetemi 5y ago

Philippines, 200Mbps symmetrical, $38 per month, provincial area.

eh9 5y ago

USA, California - 500Mbps symmetrical - $100

lotsofpulp 5y ago
USA, PNW, 940Mbps symmetrical - $65 per month

darthrupert 5y ago

Finland, 30km from nearest small town. Internet connection is 600/300Mbps 5G costing roughly 40 euros per mo. No data caps of course.

hokumguru 5y ago

USA, Nebraska 1000 symmetric $100/mo

petters 5y ago

Stockholm, Sweden. 10000/10000, $40/mo. But that of course requires rather expensive equipment at home to saturate. They don't guarantee that bandwidth though. But you can reach it sometimes.

xxs 5y ago
Telia is pretty darn good - tier 1 provider, symmetric up/down. Sweden/Norway/Denmark and the Baltics. Oddly enough Finland versions of the offers are rather asymmetric.
adriancr 5y ago
That is a nice connection, if you don't mind, what equipment are you using for that?, and any caveats?, just curious how expensive this would be overall for a home connection
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- petters 5y ago
  Switch: https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/unmanaged-switch/tl-sx1008/ https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/unmanaged-swi... The ISP provides the router but there is e.g. this one now that seems good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-ax206/#overview https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/arche...
  - petters 5y ago
    The Dream Machine Pro also seems very good for this.

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stkdump 5y ago

Upload speeds for fiber in Germany are between 5% and 50% of download speeds, most of them 20%. It's strange because for DSL there was a technical reason to do this. Before DSL internet connections were always symmetric. Now it seems that people got used to it and providers probably think they make more money that way? Because the power users who would like fast upload have to buy even faster download speeds.

wink 5y ago
Yeah, that sounds like the reason people seem to agree on. Why give the customers 100/100 if you can give them 100/10 and sell 100/100 for a premium? Also for Germany, I still think you're really lucky if you get fiber at all. Sometimes small villages get it and in big cities only in certain neighborhoods.
- stkdump 5y ago
  I can choose between 50/10, 500/100 and 1000/200. Some providers stop at 1000/50, though.
bewo001 5y ago
The FTTH GPON standard is inherently asymmetric as well. In densely populated areas it is much cheaper than point to point fiber, so you will see asymmetric speed in contracts for quite some time. And of course marketing people really love price differentiation, and speed asymmetry is one of the few parameters customers actually understand (unlike most QoS offerings).

jdblair 5y ago

It doesn't "seem" US centric, it is deliberately so. It is about US broadband policy.

Nitramp 5y ago

In Germany: 300/100 MBit for 40 €.

majewsky 5y ago
Depends on the provider. My 40 € contract with Vodafone Cable (ex Kabel Deutschland) gets me 250/25 down/up.

bayindirh 5y ago

Reporting from Turkey. Infrastructure is being migrated to FTTx. Which means you can have xDSL or direct fiber to endpoint. In case of xDSL, DSLAMs are distributed to the FTTx boxes, hence no more "distance to post office" woes. Speeds are asymmetrical. ADSL's upload is a joke (50KB/sec in reality), but VDSL2 provides really good Download/4 upload speeds (this is the nature of the VDSL2). My home connection is 24/6Mbps, with true to promises speeds 7/24. Fiber is available up to 10Gbps, but they're not cheap, and not available everywhere. Speeds are again asymmetrical. I think asymmetrical speeds are not big limiters after a certain point, but a symmetrical line always would be better. My home is wired for xDSL, so no ethernet conduits or fiber termination anywhere, and I'm happy with my speeds (for now). However, having a symmetrical network connection at office which is limited by interface limits is a big factor in this happiness.

elorant 5y ago
Do you happen to have more information on pricing for >1Gbit connections?
- bayindirh 5y ago
  Tried to find them while writing the comment, but failed. I was able to find them this time: Looks like 1gbps is ₺875/mo on average (first three months is cheaper, remaining nine is more expensive) if you promise to use it for 12 months. Has 20mbps upload. 10gpbs is ₺8000/mo, but you have to sign a 24 month contract for it. Has 50mbps upload. They're extremely asymmetrical, needlessly expensive. It's like a data hoarder's dream, but I don't know what will they do if you manage to saturate the bandwidth for a considerable amount of time.

smasty 5y ago

In Slovakia, if you live in an apartment building you can usually get up to 1Gbps/100Mbps FTTx or DOCSIS for around 30€, with some providers limiting upload to only 5% of download (so e.g. 1000/50). Some local providers might offer symmetric, but that's an exception. Most people are probably on cheaper plans in the 200-300Mbit download range for ~15€. If you live in a detached house though, your only option is usually xDSL where you're lucky to get 15/1Mbit for ~20€ if you live "further from the post office". Fixed wireless (LTE) usually offers better speeds if it's not oversubscribed in your area (40/40Mbit) but is not available everywhere, is more expensive and includes data caps. Fiber to individual houses is mostly possible only in new developments, as you can't run new wiring on poles in Slovakia, only in the ground, so no ISP bothers to upgrade older houses.

herbst 5y ago

Switzerland here. We have both, traditional ones with bad uploads and trendy small providers with ex. 1Gbps symmetrical. In some cities this is even one of the cheapest options. Right now I only have 4G, and given that I don't have many neighbors but a antenna nearby it works great too