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Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should

Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should be funded" are not mutually exclusive.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The effect is palpable in New York. The current lead candidate is campaigning on a promise of increasing police powers. There was direct campaigning on not letting New York become San Francisco, and keeping the Chesas out of the DA seats.
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- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Maybe Chesa is playing the long game and trying to drive down real estate values to be able to buy at lower prices.
- tolbish 5y ago
  Not letting New York become San Francisco is not mutually exclusive with police reform. Is the current lead candidate against police accountability/police reform?
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > Is the current lead candidate against police accountability/police reform? Yes, he is a former cop and law and order candidate [1]. (It’s not cut and dry. He opposed stop and frisk in our Senate but wants to reinstate solitary confinement, for example.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Adams_(politician) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Adams_(politician)
    - tolbish 5y ago
      Solitary confinement is not as central of a police reform issue. I still don't see how San Francisco is causing a lapse in police reform here.
- megameter 5y ago
  Yep. The reason why San Francisco has to be seen failing is because of the national implications of success. It's been a punching bag for decades, it just had a brief respite for a while.
- orwin 5y ago
  The best way is to remove police rights on some case and to have multiple social services and not just police. But the way to sell it? Call those social services police. "Neighborhood police", "Homeless/mean drug addict police", "road police", "proximity police". They should be able to coordinate (share a police precinct) or even have multiple roles in smaller cities. 35 years ago, my grandmother pushed for highly coordinated social services in our 15k hab town, and coordinate those with the two distinct police force we had in the area (think state level police and local police). The local police accepted, and from what i'm told, there was a decrease in small crimes, more people going to the formation center and more people involved in association, and even more people going to church (disclaimer: i'm not a believer, but i think church as a social mean of emancipation is good), all around the city, and the state-level police commander decided to help after ~5 years to increase the range (ex-farmers, alcoholics were a true danger on the roads). Even drove them to the formation center (my father is really anti-olice and even he told me they were the best cops he ever encountered, i think it is just social determination). Lasted into the 2000s, but the population decline and job going elsewhere were too much.

Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The idea that "the police should be held accountable" and the idea that "the police are necessary and should be funded" are not mutually exclusive.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> Why are you so sure it will set back police reform? The effect is palpable in New York. The current lead candidate is campaigning on a promise of increasing police powers. There was direct campaigning on not letting New York become San Francisco, and keeping the Chesas out of the DA seats.

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lotsofpulp 5y ago
Maybe Chesa is playing the long game and trying to drive down real estate values to be able to buy at lower prices.
tolbish 5y ago
Not letting New York become San Francisco is not mutually exclusive with police reform. Is the current lead candidate against police accountability/police reform?
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Is the current lead candidate against police accountability/police reform? Yes, he is a former cop and law and order candidate [1]. (It’s not cut and dry. He opposed stop and frisk in our Senate but wants to reinstate solitary confinement, for example.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Adams_(politician) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Adams_(politician)
  - tolbish 5y ago
    Solitary confinement is not as central of a police reform issue. I still don't see how San Francisco is causing a lapse in police reform here.
megameter 5y ago
Yep. The reason why San Francisco has to be seen failing is because of the national implications of success. It's been a punching bag for decades, it just had a brief respite for a while.
orwin 5y ago
The best way is to remove police rights on some case and to have multiple social services and not just police. But the way to sell it? Call those social services police. "Neighborhood police", "Homeless/mean drug addict police", "road police", "proximity police". They should be able to coordinate (share a police precinct) or even have multiple roles in smaller cities. 35 years ago, my grandmother pushed for highly coordinated social services in our 15k hab town, and coordinate those with the two distinct police force we had in the area (think state level police and local police). The local police accepted, and from what i'm told, there was a decrease in small crimes, more people going to the formation center and more people involved in association, and even more people going to church (disclaimer: i'm not a believer, but i think church as a social mean of emancipation is good), all around the city, and the state-level police commander decided to help after ~5 years to increase the range (ex-farmers, alcoholics were a true danger on the roads). Even drove them to the formation center (my father is really anti-olice and even he told me they were the best cops he ever encountered, i think it is just social determination). Lasted into the 2000s, but the population decline and job going elsewhere were too much.