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Isn’t this changing the subject? Or are you implying a connection? There are many major cities in the US that are socially fairly liberal and nowhere near as dy

by api 5y ago

Isn’t this changing the subject? Or are you implying a connection? There are many major cities in the US that are socially fairly liberal and nowhere near as dysfunctional as SF. Actually most urban areas in the US are pretty accepting even in areas like the Midwest and the South. If you are in a city you are generally fine. Poland could become much more tolerant and accepting of differences without becoming an open air psychiatric ward with absurdly unaffordable housing and feces on the steeet.

creamytaco 5y ago
Maybe not as dysfunctional as SF, but clearly there is severe social dysfunction in a lot of the cities run by liberals: Oakland, Seattle, Portland, NYC, Detroit, DC, Minneapolis. Allowing for some variation, at what point does one begin to blame the policies and ideologies behind those policies, that are substantially similar across the board?
- evanelias 5y ago
  What "severe social dysfunction" are you referring to in, say, NYC or DC? Among the 10 most populous US cities, not a single one currently has a Republican mayor. Among the top 25, there are only 2 with Republican mayors: Jacksonville, FL and Fort Worth, TX. Do you honestly believe that most of the other 23 largest cities in the country have severe social dysfunction? Do you honestly believe that Jacksonville and Fort Worth are substantially more functional urban societies?
  - SamReidHughes 5y ago
    In NYC, for years, Jews have repeatedly gotten attacked in the streets. Last year, the city had major riots and looting. D.C. had the same. Here in San Diego we had a Republican mayor, Republican county board of supervisors, and Republican county DA last year, and there was only minimal social dysfunction, while rioters and looters ransacked many parts of LA County.
    - evanelias 5y ago
      I've lived in or near NYC for 14 years now. There were no "major riots" last year, full stop. There was some looting, yes. Not "major riots". Crown Heights in 1991 was a "major riot", this was nothing of the sort. As for violence against Hasidim (not "Jews" in general), there have been occasional acts of violence between the Hasidic community and other residents of the same neighborhoods -- in both directions, notably -- for several decades. Including times when the mayor was a Republican. I'm Jewish and have never felt unsafe in NYC. The NYC metro area literally has the highest percentage of Jewish population in the entire US.
      - SamReidHughes 5y ago
        "Some" looting. We have the videos of rampant looting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-attacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-a... "More than half of the hate crimes in New York City last year were attacks on Jewish people. Orthodox Jews are particularly at risk." No, it's not "in both directions," or would you care to put a number on the ratio there?
        evanelias 5y ago
        So you've reviewed all these looting videos and think that somehow gives you a better perspective on its extensiveness than someone who actually lives in this city? If this is seriously your perspective then there's no point discussing anything further with you. As for "both directions", YES, it is. Educate yourself by reading about the Shomrim and their history of assaulting random people of color. You're also examining a statistic that is effectively ethnic proportion of hate crime convictions, which is orthogonal to per capita violence or "severe social dysfunction". My point in this subthread is that people complaining about "severe social dysfunction in liberal-run cities" are actually just complaining about large US cities in general, because literally every large city in this country leans left.
        SamReidHughes 5y ago

by api 5y ago

creamytaco 5y ago

Maybe not as dysfunctional as SF, but clearly there is severe social dysfunction in a lot of the cities run by liberals: Oakland, Seattle, Portland, NYC, Detroit, DC, Minneapolis. Allowing for some variation, at what point does one begin to blame the policies and ideologies behind those policies, that are substantially similar across the board?

evanelias 5y ago
What "severe social dysfunction" are you referring to in, say, NYC or DC? Among the 10 most populous US cities, not a single one currently has a Republican mayor. Among the top 25, there are only 2 with Republican mayors: Jacksonville, FL and Fort Worth, TX. Do you honestly believe that most of the other 23 largest cities in the country have severe social dysfunction? Do you honestly believe that Jacksonville and Fort Worth are substantially more functional urban societies?
- SamReidHughes 5y ago
  In NYC, for years, Jews have repeatedly gotten attacked in the streets. Last year, the city had major riots and looting. D.C. had the same. Here in San Diego we had a Republican mayor, Republican county board of supervisors, and Republican county DA last year, and there was only minimal social dysfunction, while rioters and looters ransacked many parts of LA County.
  - evanelias 5y ago
    I've lived in or near NYC for 14 years now. There were no "major riots" last year, full stop. There was some looting, yes. Not "major riots". Crown Heights in 1991 was a "major riot", this was nothing of the sort. As for violence against Hasidim (not "Jews" in general), there have been occasional acts of violence between the Hasidic community and other residents of the same neighborhoods -- in both directions, notably -- for several decades. Including times when the mayor was a Republican. I'm Jewish and have never felt unsafe in NYC. The NYC metro area literally has the highest percentage of Jewish population in the entire US.
    - SamReidHughes 5y ago
      "Some" looting. We have the videos of rampant looting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-attacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/nyregion/hasidic-jewish-a... "More than half of the hate crimes in New York City last year were attacks on Jewish people. Orthodox Jews are particularly at risk." No, it's not "in both directions," or would you care to put a number on the ratio there?
      - evanelias 5y ago
        So you've reviewed all these looting videos and think that somehow gives you a better perspective on its extensiveness than someone who actually lives in this city? If this is seriously your perspective then there's no point discussing anything further with you. As for "both directions", YES, it is. Educate yourself by reading about the Shomrim and their history of assaulting random people of color. You're also examining a statistic that is effectively ethnic proportion of hate crime convictions, which is orthogonal to per capita violence or "severe social dysfunction". My point in this subthread is that people complaining about "severe social dysfunction in liberal-run cities" are actually just complaining about large US cities in general, because literally every large city in this country leans left.
        SamReidHughes 5y ago