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Nothing is free people! ... People are outraged by GitHub but nobody is going after Facebook or Google for training their AIs on your personal data. Facebook us

by gdsdfe 5y ago

Nothing is free people! ... People are outraged by GitHub but nobody is going after Facebook or Google for training their AIs on your personal data. Facebook used your face to train some algos, google your personal emails etc.

nomercy400 5y ago
What if you paid to keep it private?
ericmay 5y ago
I mean.. I am? I care much more about Google or Facebook profiling and profiting off of my data (especially when I don’t consent to giving it to them in any meaningful way) than I do letting GitHub do things with code I knew was freely available and that other entities could use in profitable ways.
void_mint 5y ago
> People are outraged by GitHub but nobody is going after Facebook or Google for training their AIs on your personal data. ...what?
SamWhited 5y ago
It's not about it being free, it's about GitHub taking something you licensed with conditions (ie. attribution or keep this copyright notice and license file, etc.) and blatantly ignoring your license because they know you probably can't afford to sue them for copyright infringement. Open Source doesn't mean you can reproduce and copy the code freely, licenses exist for a reason. Also: of course people care about Facebook et al. (not enough, I'll grant you). Plenty of people complain about Facebook violating privacy every single day.
- gdsdfe 5y ago
  Your license means nothing if you can't defend it. If you paid for the service they wouldn't dare using your code regardless of the license.
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    > Your license means nothing if you can't defend it. It's okay to commit crimes if the victims are poor enough? (And yet what you've said is still true.)
    - gdsdfe 5y ago
      I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying nagging on HN, Twitter, etc. Won't solve any problem
      - wizzwizz4 5y ago
        And yet what problem was solved without people talking about it?
        gdsdfe 5y ago
        ok have at it :)
code_duck 5y ago
I wish that I could somehow turn my personal data into IP, but I’m not sure how to accomplish that.
joe_the_user 5y ago
Well, "nothing is free" doesn't mean someone can blatantly violate a license 'cause they have rent to pay. Maybe people should be mad about what Facebook or Google do but that stuff doesn't involve taking stuff outside their terms of use. Maybe Github could try attaching a "we can relicense all your code whenever we want" condition to their hosting but they'd lose all their business.
goodpoint 5y ago
> nobody is going after Facebook or Google A lot of people dislike them and minimize their use. More importantly, we are seeing a bait-and-switch. People agreed on GitHub storing, showing and indexing their code and issues, not using the code for Copilot, regardless of what the fine print in the usage agreement says.
shakow 5y ago
Because people accept a EULA when they give their data to FB or Google. Github is exploiting a grey area to leverage a big fat chunk of GPL (or other) licensed code in ways that are perceived to be a technically probably legal, but morally very ambiguous understanding of these licenses.
macintux 5y ago
Well, some of us try to keep Facebook and Google out of our private lives, but our faces aren't copyrightable.

by gdsdfe 5y ago

nomercy400 5y ago

What if you paid to keep it private?

ericmay 5y ago

I mean.. I am? I care much more about Google or Facebook profiling and profiting off of my data (especially when I don’t consent to giving it to them in any meaningful way) than I do letting GitHub do things with code I knew was freely available and that other entities could use in profitable ways.

void_mint 5y ago

> People are outraged by GitHub but nobody is going after Facebook or Google for training their AIs on your personal data. ...what?

SamWhited 5y ago

It's not about it being free, it's about GitHub taking something you licensed with conditions (ie. attribution or keep this copyright notice and license file, etc.) and blatantly ignoring your license because they know you probably can't afford to sue them for copyright infringement. Open Source doesn't mean you can reproduce and copy the code freely, licenses exist for a reason. Also: of course people care about Facebook et al. (not enough, I'll grant you). Plenty of people complain about Facebook violating privacy every single day.

gdsdfe 5y ago
Your license means nothing if you can't defend it. If you paid for the service they wouldn't dare using your code regardless of the license.
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  > Your license means nothing if you can't defend it. It's okay to commit crimes if the victims are poor enough? (And yet what you've said is still true.)
  - gdsdfe 5y ago
    I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying nagging on HN, Twitter, etc. Won't solve any problem
    - wizzwizz4 5y ago
      And yet what problem was solved without people talking about it?
      - gdsdfe 5y ago
        ok have at it :)

code_duck 5y ago

I wish that I could somehow turn my personal data into IP, but I’m not sure how to accomplish that.

joe_the_user 5y ago

Well, "nothing is free" doesn't mean someone can blatantly violate a license 'cause they have rent to pay. Maybe people should be mad about what Facebook or Google do but that stuff doesn't involve taking stuff outside their terms of use. Maybe Github could try attaching a "we can relicense all your code whenever we want" condition to their hosting but they'd lose all their business.

goodpoint 5y ago

> nobody is going after Facebook or Google A lot of people dislike them and minimize their use. More importantly, we are seeing a bait-and-switch. People agreed on GitHub storing, showing and indexing their code and issues, not using the code for Copilot, regardless of what the fine print in the usage agreement says.

shakow 5y ago

Because people accept a EULA when they give their data to FB or Google. Github is exploiting a grey area to leverage a big fat chunk of GPL (or other) licensed code in ways that are perceived to be a technically probably legal, but morally very ambiguous understanding of these licenses.

macintux 5y ago

Well, some of us try to keep Facebook and Google out of our private lives, but our faces aren't copyrightable.