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Earlier - this started in 1911 when the Supreme Court said that.

raldi 5y ago
https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/fair-housing-act https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/fair-housing-ac...
seoaeu 5y ago
1917: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchanan_v._Warley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchanan_v._Warley
- raldi 5y ago
  Housing discrimination persisted well beyond 1917. See, for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining It wasn't until the late 60's / early 70's that explicit racial discrimination was finally outlawed, and it's not a coincidence that exclusionary zoning took off immediately thereafter as a prima facie race-neutral way to achieve the same outcome.
  - seoaeu 5y ago
    No, you have the timeline wrong. Exclusionary zoning took off almost immediately after Buchanan. Some of the original designers specifically cited that Supreme Court case as their motivation for passing such laws. Redlining and racial covenants were also used around that time for similar purposes.
    - raldi 5y ago
      As the threat of litigation became a new constant, the San Francisco Planning Department slowly began to craft a new approach to development. The city’s 1971 Urban Design Plan was the first to codify the shift in values from the Modernist freeway-and-tower model toward a greater respect for San Francisco’s unique neighborhoods and their human-scale features. The plan focused on preserving and expanding existing neighborhood character ... But the largest legislative achievement of this emerging anti-growth coalition would be the Residential Rezoning of 1978, a project to implement stricter controls across all of San Francisco’s neighborhoods. In addition to creating 40-foot building-height limits for most residential areas, the legislation included new setback rules (regulating how far a building could be from the public right-of-way), low-density requirements (limiting the number of housing units in a given building), and overall design guidelines aimed at preserving entire neighborhoods in amber. https://www.fastcompany.com/90242388/the-bad-design-that-created-one-of-americas-worst-housing-crises https://www.fastcompany.com/90242388/the-bad-design-that-cre...
      - seoaeu 5y ago
        That proves that exclusionary zoning was around in 1971, but not that it wasn't used earlier. Massachusetts amended its constitution in 1918, literally one year after Buchanan, to enable cities to impose zoning. And the idea of using it to create racial segregation was specifically discussed at the time [0]: Of particular concern was the fear that zoning would bring about racial and socioeconomic segregation in Massachusetts, which need not take the form of racial tests, as zoning could just as easily bring about segregation by regulating who could afford certain neighborhoods by income. Pro-zoning advocates... [went ahead anyways] [0]: https://www.cambridgema.gov/~/media/Files/officeofthemayor/2019/acitywhichisdesirableandobtainablecambridgezoninghistory102419.pdf https://www.cambridgema.gov/~/media/Files/officeofthemayor/2...
        raldi 5y ago
        Yep, my position isn't that EZ was invented in the 70's; that's just when it swept the nation, and in particular, the Bay Area.
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jankyxenon 5y ago
Highly progressive people continue to self segregate into very non-diverse neighborhoods when buying houses.
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- imtringued 5y ago
  They also complain about ghettoization as soon as certain people come to their neighborhood.
- moosey 5y ago
  This is category error, at a minimum. 'highly progressive people' is an abstraction and cannot take action. It's imagine it's also inductive reasoning and out group bias.
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- carom 5y ago
  This was my experience working at Google. Very liberal until you start talking about upzoning, then suddenly "some neighborhoods should keep their character".
  - thatfrenchguy 5y ago
    Very liberal until it's time to actually solve their own backyard's problems eh.
  - enraged_camel 5y ago
    NIMBY does not mean conservative. Indeed, one of the most annoying things about NIMBYs is that they come in all political shapes and sizes. :)

https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/fair-housing-act https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/fair-housing-ac...

seoaeu 5y ago

1917: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchanan_v._Warley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchanan_v._Warley

raldi 5y ago
Housing discrimination persisted well beyond 1917. See, for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining It wasn't until the late 60's / early 70's that explicit racial discrimination was finally outlawed, and it's not a coincidence that exclusionary zoning took off immediately thereafter as a prima facie race-neutral way to achieve the same outcome.
- seoaeu 5y ago
  No, you have the timeline wrong. Exclusionary zoning took off almost immediately after Buchanan. Some of the original designers specifically cited that Supreme Court case as their motivation for passing such laws. Redlining and racial covenants were also used around that time for similar purposes.
  - raldi 5y ago
    As the threat of litigation became a new constant, the San Francisco Planning Department slowly began to craft a new approach to development. The city’s 1971 Urban Design Plan was the first to codify the shift in values from the Modernist freeway-and-tower model toward a greater respect for San Francisco’s unique neighborhoods and their human-scale features. The plan focused on preserving and expanding existing neighborhood character ... But the largest legislative achievement of this emerging anti-growth coalition would be the Residential Rezoning of 1978, a project to implement stricter controls across all of San Francisco’s neighborhoods. In addition to creating 40-foot building-height limits for most residential areas, the legislation included new setback rules (regulating how far a building could be from the public right-of-way), low-density requirements (limiting the number of housing units in a given building), and overall design guidelines aimed at preserving entire neighborhoods in amber. https://www.fastcompany.com/90242388/the-bad-design-that-created-one-of-americas-worst-housing-crises https://www.fastcompany.com/90242388/the-bad-design-that-cre...
    - seoaeu 5y ago
      That proves that exclusionary zoning was around in 1971, but not that it wasn't used earlier. Massachusetts amended its constitution in 1918, literally one year after Buchanan, to enable cities to impose zoning. And the idea of using it to create racial segregation was specifically discussed at the time [0]: Of particular concern was the fear that zoning would bring about racial and socioeconomic segregation in Massachusetts, which need not take the form of racial tests, as zoning could just as easily bring about segregation by regulating who could afford certain neighborhoods by income. Pro-zoning advocates... [went ahead anyways] [0]: https://www.cambridgema.gov/~/media/Files/officeofthemayor/2019/acitywhichisdesirableandobtainablecambridgezoninghistory102419.pdf https://www.cambridgema.gov/~/media/Files/officeofthemayor/2...
      - raldi 5y ago
        Yep, my position isn't that EZ was invented in the 70's; that's just when it swept the nation, and in particular, the Bay Area.
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jankyxenon 5y ago

Highly progressive people continue to self segregate into very non-diverse neighborhoods when buying houses.

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imtringued 5y ago
They also complain about ghettoization as soon as certain people come to their neighborhood.
moosey 5y ago
This is category error, at a minimum. 'highly progressive people' is an abstraction and cannot take action. It's imagine it's also inductive reasoning and out group bias.
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carom 5y ago
This was my experience working at Google. Very liberal until you start talking about upzoning, then suddenly "some neighborhoods should keep their character".
- thatfrenchguy 5y ago
  Very liberal until it's time to actually solve their own backyard's problems eh.
- enraged_camel 5y ago
  NIMBY does not mean conservative. Indeed, one of the most annoying things about NIMBYs is that they come in all political shapes and sizes. :)