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> 95% of vegans don’t do a good job and are visibly malnourished Uh, is it even worth asking for a source for this?

wyager 5y ago
When I say “visibly malnourished”, I mean you can look at them and see they are malnourished. Why would you ask for a source? Just use your eyes.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  >you can look at them All of them at once??
  - wyager 5y ago
    Thankfully, due to the principle of object permanence, it suffices to look at them one at a time.
    - ivanbakel 5y ago
      And you're able to look at all of them, one at a time? The plural of anecdote is not data.
      - wyager 5y ago
        The plural of datum is data, and when you look at something that produces a datum.
- ElijahLynn 5y ago
  The film The Game Changers has plenty of examples of thriving humans on a vegan diet, it is the opposite of what you claim. You are just showing a bias.
  - wyager 5y ago
    > The film The Game Changers has plenty of examples of thriving humans on a vegan diet… You are just showing a bias. I am showing a bias and the silly vegan propaganda movie isn’t? OK. Btw, if you want some examples of veganism not working as advertised, look up the ongoing “vegans: the epitome of malnourishment” series on YouTube. It tracks various vegan influencers throughout the years.
    - happytoexplain 5y ago
      I tend to avoid the word "propaganda" where I think the term "one-sided" would qualitatively suffice, but those YouTube videos are fairly close to the definition of propaganda. The series is essentially one of the common hate-driven cherry-picking machines the internet is constructed out of. This is coming from me, a non-vegan who thinks that adequate nutrition is much more difficult for vegans, and therefore by the very laws of statistics, if that assumption is true, then vegans are in fact on average less well-nourished compared to people with adequate access to food and no dietary restrictions.
    - ElijahLynn 5y ago
      Have you watched it?
    - uxcolumbo 5y ago
      Replace "vegan" with "stop cruelty". It's not a diet. It's a mindset not wanting to cause unnecessary suffering. Why would you want to continue funding a cruel and biosphere destroying industry (factory farming) if you don't need their products to survive. In our society eating animal flesh is mostly to experience culinary pleasures. If you look at it from a logical perspective, it doesn't make sense, all that waste and inefficiencies in that system - tech folks should appreciate that. Veganism doesn't mean you're automatically on a healthy diet. You can be vegan on Pringles and Coke. Game Changers just shows you can thrive at an athletic level on a plant based diet. We humans gave up other horrific practices from the past - so the future is vegan (reduced cruelty), but we don't have to wait - we can start now.
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When I say “visibly malnourished”, I mean you can look at them and see they are malnourished. Why would you ask for a source? Just use your eyes.

happytoexplain 5y ago
>you can look at them All of them at once??
- wyager 5y ago
  Thankfully, due to the principle of object permanence, it suffices to look at them one at a time.
  - ivanbakel 5y ago
    And you're able to look at all of them, one at a time? The plural of anecdote is not data.
    - wyager 5y ago
      The plural of datum is data, and when you look at something that produces a datum.
ElijahLynn 5y ago
The film The Game Changers has plenty of examples of thriving humans on a vegan diet, it is the opposite of what you claim. You are just showing a bias.
- wyager 5y ago
  > The film The Game Changers has plenty of examples of thriving humans on a vegan diet… You are just showing a bias. I am showing a bias and the silly vegan propaganda movie isn’t? OK. Btw, if you want some examples of veganism not working as advertised, look up the ongoing “vegans: the epitome of malnourishment” series on YouTube. It tracks various vegan influencers throughout the years.
  - happytoexplain 5y ago
    I tend to avoid the word "propaganda" where I think the term "one-sided" would qualitatively suffice, but those YouTube videos are fairly close to the definition of propaganda. The series is essentially one of the common hate-driven cherry-picking machines the internet is constructed out of. This is coming from me, a non-vegan who thinks that adequate nutrition is much more difficult for vegans, and therefore by the very laws of statistics, if that assumption is true, then vegans are in fact on average less well-nourished compared to people with adequate access to food and no dietary restrictions.
  - ElijahLynn 5y ago
    Have you watched it?
  - uxcolumbo 5y ago
    Replace "vegan" with "stop cruelty". It's not a diet. It's a mindset not wanting to cause unnecessary suffering. Why would you want to continue funding a cruel and biosphere destroying industry (factory farming) if you don't need their products to survive. In our society eating animal flesh is mostly to experience culinary pleasures. If you look at it from a logical perspective, it doesn't make sense, all that waste and inefficiencies in that system - tech folks should appreciate that. Veganism doesn't mean you're automatically on a healthy diet. You can be vegan on Pringles and Coke. Game Changers just shows you can thrive at an athletic level on a plant based diet. We humans gave up other horrific practices from the past - so the future is vegan (reduced cruelty), but we don't have to wait - we can start now.
    - 5y ago