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What is Black+ and Latinx+? This is the first time I'm hearing this term and can't find anything about it in the report or online.
by bko 5y ago
What is Black+ and Latinx+?
This is the first time I'm hearing this term and can't find anything about it in the report or online.
- cyberlurker 5y agoI want to know also. My guess is Black or Latino of every gender/sexuality.
- ignoranceprior 5y agoIf I had to guess, I would say Black+ means anyone who has Black heritage, even if mixed. But it could be a sexual orientation thing too.
- bko 5y agoI don't think so because in their 2019 diversity report they have breakdowns of Asian+, Black+, Latinx+, Native American+ and White+ in an "Intersectional workforce" chart. I think that has to do with gender and sexuality, so those shouldn't be + Their hires and workforce representation are ~40% Asian+ but I don't think that qualifies as diversity. https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/93d9a4094693cb783535e7baa3f596bccb1ce697dccec2e4db2114b84013ae12a1399ec9672fe1ab2fd419ac0ca9a3b6d2f78418b480885e7b24c9ec107c0ccc https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/93d9a4094693cb78...
- kbelder 5y agoIt also has the effect of pushing as many people into the +buckets as possible, making it so all marginal cases are included. This could be a modern incarnation of the 'one drop' rule, thinking that if you're part minority, that is still the most important part of your makeup. Or, more likely, it's to inflate numbers as much as possible for PR.
- joshsyn 5y agoI identity myself as "space-master". I can't find myself in there. Shame, I am such a minority group nobody cares.
- danuker 5y agoCorporate newspeak. 2 + 2 = 5
- buggythebug 5y agoKeeping track of all these terms is absurd. How about about this? We are all humans.
- curiousgal 5y agoI think it's for being Black + Gay or whatever other minority. Latino is for males, Latina is for females so Latinx is for both and other genders and I guess the + indicates belonging to another minority group. As a non-American this all seems silly but I see the point of it.
- CydeWeys 5y agoGoogle doesn't track sexual orientation. Black+ means black or black plus some other ethnic minority (Native American, Latino, etc.).
- curiousgal 5y agoI dont suppose the term was coined by Google so.. Following the same logic, LGBTQ+ doesn't refer to sexual orientation?
- bko 5y agoGoogle does track orientation of employees. They have a breakdown of intersectional hiring in their 2019 report. It may be voluntarily reported. But the + doesn't stand for orientation. I don't see how being gay makes you any more or less of a racial identity https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/93d9a4094693cb783535e7baa3f596bccb1ce697dccec2e4db2114b84013ae12a1399ec9672fe1ab2fd419ac0ca9a3b6d2f78418b480885e7b24c9ec107c0ccc https://kstatic.googleusercontent.com/files/93d9a4094693cb78...
- curiousgal 5y agoAccording to this[0] people can self-identify as "Black+" so if it's purely racial how could people self-identify as that? 0.https://developers.google.com/learn/certificates https://developers.google.com/learn/certificates
- jonfw 5y agoYou either let somebody tell you their race, or you assign them one. Which one would you be more comfortable doing?
- blueflow 5y agoIn the anglosphere (and especially in the US), the ethnic background of a person is given much attention. They have very odd labels with the intent to be more inclusive towards the "corner cases". The 'x' probably stands as a placeholder for 'o' and 'a' to capture both the male and female version. This seems to be a oddity of the english-speaking cultures and not very relevant to other parts of the world.
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- fennecfoxen 5y ago"Latinx" is especially great because it sends such a clear message: "We wish to use this ethnic group to make us look like we're concerned about the problems social justice, but we don't actually respect that 97% of the people we're describing don't use that term or want that term."
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoAmericans fixed the word. They also fix their dogs.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y agoI guess neutering jokes aren't funny to a community that really likes Unix.
- praptak 5y ago"The data in this section allows people of two or more races to more accurately state their racial background. For example, Black+ includes all Googlers who identify as Black, plus those who identify as Black and any other race." https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/diversity.google/en//static/pdf/Google_Diversity_annual_report_2018.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/diversity.google/...
- bko 5y agoThanks. Is there a hierarchy? Like if I identify as both Black and White, am I counted in Black+ or White+ or is it double counted? Does the employee provide a ranking?
- jefftk 5y agoMy interpretation is that you'd be in both "Black+" and "White+"
- CydeWeys 5y agoIt's not a hierarchy, and they don't add up to 100%, so there is double-counting. I just did the math on one of the rows from the report using the + labels and that row added up to 104.6%, so we can deduce that 4.6% of people fit into two categories (or maybe slightly less than that including people that fit into 3 or more categories).
- WillPostForFood 5y agoThe only other group as obsessed with racial hierarchies as the modern woke left was Nazi Germany. Their published classification would seem to fit just fine at Google. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Classifications_under_the_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Classifications...
- psychometry 5y agoDoesn't seem like you have any idea what "hierarchy" means.
- 0xy 5y agoInvented terms. Latinx is extremely unpopular among Hispanics according to Pew Research, with just 3% using it. [1] A significant majority of Hispanics say it should never be used to describe them in any circumstance. It's forced cultural desecration, and it's totally unwanted by the targets of the term. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/ https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in...
- indigochill 5y agoMaybe the reason for the attrition. I'm a white dude but work in a foreign country (also predominantly white). For the most part I'm just "one of the guys". I only really feel like an outsider when corporate policy dictates we have to talk about cultural sensitivity towards foreigners and I happen to be the only foreigner in the room. For people of different races, I assume this feeling is switched on practically all the time because now the differences aren't only felt during HR mandated meetings. And moreover, they're not differences that have any bearing on the person's contribution to the company (any more than my status as a foreigner does).
- ericmay 5y agoIt’s kind of a case of the more you talk about how different something or someone is the more you kind of focus on the difference. At least seems that way.
- hallway_monitor 5y agoI don't understand it. I've never been in the minority where I live but this is how I imagine it feels being in a group that is being singled out for some reason or another. Every person is a completely unique individual and focusing on things like skin color just seem insane to me. Why not focus on the fact that we are 99.9% the same but have different experiences which make us valuable and interesting.
- ceilingcorner 5y agoOld tactic: divide and conquer. If people stopped bickering about race, they’d quickly realize their economic class similarities, leading to things like unionization. BigCo can’t allow this, for obvious reasons.
- 7sidedmarble 5y agoIt worries me that more of HN doesn't understand this.
- CydeWeys 5y ago
- AlgorithmicTime 5y agoThe subscription tier. It's $10/month.
- cudgy 5y agoWhat is White+? Maybe Google’s editors add pluses to all ethnic categories?