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> you should let it work only if it received the normal level of human empathy in communication. Empathy for things without feelings isn't possible at all. Bei

> you should let it work only if it received the normal level of human empathy in communication. Empathy for things without feelings isn't possible at all. Being polite isn't equivalent to empathy. It is often mistaken though. An American once told be the common stereotype of Canadians is wrong. They aren't nice, they are just polite. A joke of course, but I think we are responsible adults.

necovek 5y ago
You are not showing me empathy in interpreting my comment :D I did not ask for people to show empathy to machines, but to communicate in a way they would with humans they do have empathy for, to ensure they do that with other people. Because software is increasingly made to behave like humans (there is this soft female voice responding in natural sentences), it is getting easier to confuse the two. As I said in another comment, it's quite similar to how machines do not correct us with "You stupid human, you missed the right turn there. Now I have to recalculate the route to your destination again wasting energy and polluting the Earth some more. And it'll be 4km longer!" (which I would love as a "hilarious mode" on my sat-nav) — at best, it's just "recalculating" or more usually, just silently accepting our stupidity. Even simple "You missed the turn again" would frustrate half the drivers, I am sure. But they are just software stating facts, right, and they can't have empathy for us, so that should be ok?
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  > You are not showing me empathy in interpreting my comment :D Sorry, certainly guilty of that. It actually is interesting phenomena of internet comments and yes, I mostly sound quite abrasive when I reread my comments. I think this is a phenomenon of skipping empathy for internet comments in the believe that the other side won't take it personally anyway and it is mostly not meant to be antagonistic. You are correct that it can have an impact on behavior because AIs are modeled to respond naturally and that it can have an effect on interpersonal communication. I think I need to print a t-shirt for when I visit an English speaking country: "Sorry for my expression, I learned English on the internet".
- emerged 5y ago
  Then you’re teaching them to communicate as if they have empathy without actually using empathy — which seems the precisely wrong lesson to learn.
  - necovek 5y ago
    I think it's generally extremely hard to teach people empathy (not just children). Basically, you do that through experience, not words. Teaching them to be polite and to understand reasons for that is much simpler, and not mutually exclusive with teaching them empathy.

necovek 5y ago

You are not showing me empathy in interpreting my comment :D I did not ask for people to show empathy to machines, but to communicate in a way they would with humans they do have empathy for, to ensure they do that with other people. Because software is increasingly made to behave like humans (there is this soft female voice responding in natural sentences), it is getting easier to confuse the two. As I said in another comment, it's quite similar to how machines do not correct us with "You stupid human, you missed the right turn there. Now I have to recalculate the route to your destination again wasting energy and polluting the Earth some more. And it'll be 4km longer!" (which I would love as a "hilarious mode" on my sat-nav) — at best, it's just "recalculating" or more usually, just silently accepting our stupidity. Even simple "You missed the turn again" would frustrate half the drivers, I am sure. But they are just software stating facts, right, and they can't have empathy for us, so that should be ok?

raxxorrax 5y ago
> You are not showing me empathy in interpreting my comment :D Sorry, certainly guilty of that. It actually is interesting phenomena of internet comments and yes, I mostly sound quite abrasive when I reread my comments. I think this is a phenomenon of skipping empathy for internet comments in the believe that the other side won't take it personally anyway and it is mostly not meant to be antagonistic. You are correct that it can have an impact on behavior because AIs are modeled to respond naturally and that it can have an effect on interpersonal communication. I think I need to print a t-shirt for when I visit an English speaking country: "Sorry for my expression, I learned English on the internet".
emerged 5y ago
Then you’re teaching them to communicate as if they have empathy without actually using empathy — which seems the precisely wrong lesson to learn.
- necovek 5y ago
  I think it's generally extremely hard to teach people empathy (not just children). Basically, you do that through experience, not words. Teaching them to be polite and to understand reasons for that is much simpler, and not mutually exclusive with teaching them empathy.