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WTF are you on about "occupying nation"
by iso1210 5y ago
WTF are you on about "occupying nation"
- opheliate 5y agoYou might want to look into the history of Northern Ireland during the 20th century, and local attitudes to British rule.
- woah 5y agoEngland is occupying part of Ireland. I have no personal opinion about this, or links to Ireland, but it seems pretty obvious to anyone looking at it from the outside.
- shellac 5y agoEngland?
- Strom 5y agoIf you want them to say United Kingdom, then say it. Obscure one word comments aren't useful or transparent.
- lifeisstillgood 5y agoSadly even UK is not right here. We are the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If we do not include NI, then we are just Great Britain. Most of us are confused about it too.
- bof_ 5y agoAnd the alpha_3 for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is GBR. The Western European Archipelago is a complex place.
- mcguire 5y agoWell, the ancestor has a point, sort of. England conquered Wales, Scotland, and a bunch of other parts of the Earth, and only grudgingly became the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Historically, its relationship with everyone else in Britain, much less the rest of the world, have been somewhat strained. By the way, any news on the Scottish independence thing?
- Gupie 5y agoThey would be wrong then. The great majority of unionist are of Scottish descent and have been in Norther Ireland from the 1600s. FYI the term "unionist" refers to those in NI who want the union with Britain to be maintained, not as someone looking in from outside would assume those who want a union with Southern Ireland. Those are "nationalists".
- mcguire 5y ago"Great majority"? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Voting_patterns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Northern_Ireland#V.... "...have been in Norther Ireland from the 1600s." Not that it matters to anyone, but the Plantation of Ulster would likely be considered a war crime under article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> Not that it matters to anyone, but the Plantation of Ulster would likely be considered a war crime under article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention. Well, probably not, given that none of the states who were, or whose territory was, involved were parties to Geneva Convention (IV) of 1949 at the time.
- amanaplanacanal 5y agoI think the implication is that if it happened today it would be considered a war crime.
- dragonwriter 5y agoBut that's hardly noteworthy; any internal or international conflict from the 1600s is chock full of what would be, in modern terms, war crimes and crimes against humanity, usually on all sides unless one of them simply lacked capacity.
- Dylan16807 5y agoThey made a claim about the majority OF unionists, not that unionists are a majority of anything.
- earnubs 5y agoYour first sentence is a personal opinion.
- barneygale 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Public_opinion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Public_opinion The people of Northern Ireland disagree, and we ought to leave it to them.
- vl 5y agoEssentially it's a piece curved out of a country where descendants of occupants exceed in number native population. Of course it's occupied for so long that now it's "their own", still doesn't change the fact that it was occupied and not treated equally historically in the first place.
- bof_ 5y agoHacker News on Northern Ireland is worse than Hacker News on CSS. Which is saying a lot.
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- AQuantized 5y agoNot to be pedantic, but isn't that true of almost any place if you go back far enough? There's a reason those with 'British' ancestry are called Anglo-Saxons; The Angles (French) and Saxons (Germans) that conquered and occupied the land of the Celts eventually become the de facto inhabitants. Of course the Celts themselves didn't evolve there, but also dominated pre-Celtic peoples.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> England is occupying part of Ireland. England is clearly not, since Northern Ireland is a separate country in the UK, not a colony run by the government of England. After ~400 years its hard to say the UK, is, either, unless you want to say most of the Earth is occupied, often occupied territory of countries that no longer even have a notional government, and often occupied by people who are detached from the government that initiated the occupation (which may itself have ceased to exist.)
- pessimizer 5y agoIreland doesn't exist?
- tomjakubowski 5y agoEngland is the only country of the United Kingdom lacking its own devolved legislature, which speaks to the perspective that England, if not synonymous with the UK, is the principal power within it.
- iso1210 5y agoCalifornia is ocuppying part of Dakota. I have no personal opinion about this, or links to Dakota, but it seems pretty obvious to anyone looking at it from the outside.