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Why journalists don't call it as fraud? They spent money on drafting this legislation and this is not fit for purpose. But by the looks of it, big money must
by varispeed 5y ago
Why journalists don't call it as fraud?
They spent money on drafting this legislation and this is not fit for purpose.
But by the looks of it, big money must be behind it so it ticks the box, but does not actually change anything.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> Why journalists don't call it as fraud? Because it's not fraud. Fraud requires obtaining a valuable security by deception. That's not what's going on here. So it's not fraud.
- varispeed 5y agoFraud - wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. It's very much what's going on here.
- chrisseaton 5y agoThere's absolutely no way you could convince a judge that this was fraud. You can't just pick some legal term that sounds familiar and say that's what's going on. These terms have very specific meanings based on extensive case law.
- cmendel 5y agoRight, so not to put words in varispeed mouth. But their claim is that Right-to-repair that doesn't give you the Right to repair what they want the right to repair is deliberately deceptive and, thus, fraudulent. The damages would be that the product that they wish to repair are irreparable.
- chrisseaton 5y agoI don't know what to tell you apart from that's not what 'fraud' is in practice. Things being not what you want and someone having spent money does not equal fraud. You can't just pick a legal term and interpret it as literal English without any knowledge of the actual precedent around it. I don't know if you think the entire legislation is the words 'right to repair'? It obviously isn't - it's far more nuanced than that.
- pessimizer 5y ago> You can't just pick a legal term and interpret it as literal English without any knowledge of the actual precedent around it. That's exactly what you are doing. You responded to somebody typing literal English with an spurious debate about a legal term no one asked about and is different depending on what jurisdiction you live in.
- chrisseaton 5y agoThe jurisdiction is Britain (meaning the UK). It's literally in the title of the thread.
- atq2119 5y agoYou do realize that words can have both a legal and a colloquial meaning, right? People say stuff like "he's a fraud" all the time without meaning that in a precise legal sense.
- raxxorrax 5y agoIt is protectionism of their business model for customer support, which is a profit center in many modern companies by now. They are not honest about that so you can call that fraud.
- mnouquet 5y ago> Why journalists don't call it as fraud? Because those who write these laws are the same signing the journalists' paycheck.