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This is the argument Hubert Dreyfuss advances to postulate Artificial General Intelligence can never be achieved - because computers are not “in the world.” >

This is the argument Hubert Dreyfuss advances to postulate Artificial General Intelligence can never be achieved - because computers are not “in the world.” > One of the leading critics was the philosopher Hubert Dreyfus, who argued that computers, who have no body, no childhood and no cultural practice, could not acquire intelligence at all. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-0494-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-0494-4

Aeolun 5y ago
Just raise them as you would a child? Give them a body, upgrade it so they grow every few years. Lets see where we end up.
- concordDance 5y ago
  > Just raise them as you would a child? That could only work even in theory if you've programmed in all the innate behaviours/desires human children have. And in practice raising superintelligent children who can clone themselves and rewrite their minds is not a thing we know how to do.
  - curtainsforus 5y ago
    That doesn't mean it's impossible to create artificial intelligences, though, which was Dreyfus' point.
  - ElFitz 5y ago
    > And in practice raising superintelligent children who can clone themselves and rewrite their minds is not a thing we know how to do. We could learn to. Through trial and error. Even though a too big mistake means creating a psychopathic superinterlligent child who can clone itself, rewrite turns mind and easily hack the few American ICBMs not protected by the wondrous safety of floppy disks.
    - Aeolun 5y ago
      Seems a bit crazy to assume we’ll jump from ‘not close to human’ to ‘superintelligent’ without going through ‘barely adequate’?
      - ElFitz 5y ago
        Oh, definitely. I was just musing on the previous comment and noting that one of the things we do best is learn how to do things we previously didn’t how to do.
- wombatmobile 5y ago
  > Give them a body OK in theory. In practice, that's a bigger project, by perhaps a hundred years and a trillion dollars? But you've got the right approach. A body is a prerequisite in order to get exposure to the same data humans receive. "Lyin' Eyes" by Don Henley and Glenn Frey City girls just seem to find out early How to open doors with just a smile A rich old man and she won't have to worry She'll dress up all in lace and go in style Late at night a big old house gets lonely I guess every form of refuge has its price And it breaks her heart to think her love is only Given to a man with hands as cold as ice So she tells him she must go out for the evening To comfort an old friend who's feelin' down But he knows where she's goin' as she's leavin' She is headed for the cheatin' side of town You can't hide your lyin' eyes And your smile is a thin disguise I thought by now you'd realize There ain't no way to hide your lying eyes On the other side of town a boy is waiting With fiery eyes and dreams no one could steal She drives on through the night anticipating 'Cause he makes her feel the way she used to feel She rushes to his arms, they fall together She whispers that it's only for awhile She swears that soon she'll be comin' back forever She pulls away and leaves him with a smile You can't hide your lyin' eyes And your smile is a thin disguise I thought by now you'd realize There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes She gets up and pours herself a strong one And stares out at the stars up in the sky Another night, it's gonna be a long one She draws the shade and hangs her head to cry She wonders how it ever got this crazy She thinks about a boy she knew in school Did she get tired or did she just get lazy? She's so far gone she feels just like a fool My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things You set it up so well, so carefully Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things You're still the same old girl you used to be You can't hide your lying eyes And your smile is a thin disguise I thought by now you'd realize There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes Honey, you can't hide your lyin' eyes

Aeolun 5y ago

Just raise them as you would a child? Give them a body, upgrade it so they grow every few years. Lets see where we end up.

concordDance 5y ago
> Just raise them as you would a child? That could only work even in theory if you've programmed in all the innate behaviours/desires human children have. And in practice raising superintelligent children who can clone themselves and rewrite their minds is not a thing we know how to do.
- curtainsforus 5y ago
  That doesn't mean it's impossible to create artificial intelligences, though, which was Dreyfus' point.
- ElFitz 5y ago
  > And in practice raising superintelligent children who can clone themselves and rewrite their minds is not a thing we know how to do. We could learn to. Through trial and error. Even though a too big mistake means creating a psychopathic superinterlligent child who can clone itself, rewrite turns mind and easily hack the few American ICBMs not protected by the wondrous safety of floppy disks.
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    Seems a bit crazy to assume we’ll jump from ‘not close to human’ to ‘superintelligent’ without going through ‘barely adequate’?
    - ElFitz 5y ago
      Oh, definitely. I was just musing on the previous comment and noting that one of the things we do best is learn how to do things we previously didn’t how to do.
wombatmobile 5y ago
> Give them a body OK in theory. In practice, that's a bigger project, by perhaps a hundred years and a trillion dollars? But you've got the right approach. A body is a prerequisite in order to get exposure to the same data humans receive. "Lyin' Eyes" by Don Henley and Glenn Frey City girls just seem to find out early How to open doors with just a smile A rich old man and she won't have to worry She'll dress up all in lace and go in style Late at night a big old house gets lonely I guess every form of refuge has its price And it breaks her heart to think her love is only Given to a man with hands as cold as ice So she tells him she must go out for the evening To comfort an old friend who's feelin' down But he knows where she's goin' as she's leavin' She is headed for the cheatin' side of town You can't hide your lyin' eyes And your smile is a thin disguise I thought by now you'd realize There ain't no way to hide your lying eyes On the other side of town a boy is waiting With fiery eyes and dreams no one could steal She drives on through the night anticipating 'Cause he makes her feel the way she used to feel She rushes to his arms, they fall together She whispers that it's only for awhile She swears that soon she'll be comin' back forever She pulls away and leaves him with a smile You can't hide your lyin' eyes And your smile is a thin disguise I thought by now you'd realize There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes She gets up and pours herself a strong one And stares out at the stars up in the sky Another night, it's gonna be a long one She draws the shade and hangs her head to cry She wonders how it ever got this crazy She thinks about a boy she knew in school Did she get tired or did she just get lazy? She's so far gone she feels just like a fool My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things You set it up so well, so carefully Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things You're still the same old girl you used to be You can't hide your lying eyes And your smile is a thin disguise I thought by now you'd realize There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes Honey, you can't hide your lyin' eyes