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I'm convinced this entire UBI idea is a fucking scam. It completely contradicts the survival of the fittest notion (here in the context of work). I'm a person w

I'm convinced this entire UBI idea is a fucking scam. It completely contradicts the survival of the fittest notion (here in the context of work). I'm a person who always embraces new ideas but this one that combines the cryptocurrency hype with UBI is really more a marketing gig rather a value-adding product/service. This idea won't fix any problems out there.

imtringued 5y ago
>It completely contradicts the survival of the fittest notion (here in the context of work). It doesn't because working gets you even more money. The contradiction lies in the idea of taxing work to pay for it.
- pcaversaccio 5y ago
  Survive !== having a lot of money. UBI assures that all people are "survivable" w/o any effort. Therefore, there is no competition to survive in any case. Hence the contradiction.
  - odyssey7 5y ago
    Are you advocating that a good economic system is one that kills people who aren’t working? I just don’t clearly understand what you mean by “survive.”
    - runnerup 5y ago
      For those who believe that a good economic system is one that kills the "least fit"...I wonder what their idea of an optimal ratio of fit-to-killed is. Should the policy levers be set so that each year 0.1% of the population starves/freezes/overheats to death, or 1%? For a system which targets killing off "unfit" people, what would be signs of killing off too many people? Killing off too few? Instead of a stack-ranking system, is there some minimum bar that they imagine people should have to exceed? I wonder how many people would have exceeded that bar 500 years ago, or 500 years from now.
gavanwilhite 5y ago
“Survival of the fittest” is a overused phrase that does not do true justice to evolution. While not explicitly untrue it invokes associations with purely competitive dynamics which does not do justice to the intricacies of evolutionary dynamics, nor to the intricacies of co-creating things in the modern world.

imtringued 5y ago

>It completely contradicts the survival of the fittest notion (here in the context of work). It doesn't because working gets you even more money. The contradiction lies in the idea of taxing work to pay for it.

pcaversaccio 5y ago
Survive !== having a lot of money. UBI assures that all people are "survivable" w/o any effort. Therefore, there is no competition to survive in any case. Hence the contradiction.
- odyssey7 5y ago
  Are you advocating that a good economic system is one that kills people who aren’t working? I just don’t clearly understand what you mean by “survive.”
  - runnerup 5y ago
    For those who believe that a good economic system is one that kills the "least fit"...I wonder what their idea of an optimal ratio of fit-to-killed is. Should the policy levers be set so that each year 0.1% of the population starves/freezes/overheats to death, or 1%? For a system which targets killing off "unfit" people, what would be signs of killing off too many people? Killing off too few? Instead of a stack-ranking system, is there some minimum bar that they imagine people should have to exceed? I wonder how many people would have exceeded that bar 500 years ago, or 500 years from now.

gavanwilhite 5y ago

“Survival of the fittest” is a overused phrase that does not do true justice to evolution. While not explicitly untrue it invokes associations with purely competitive dynamics which does not do justice to the intricacies of evolutionary dynamics, nor to the intricacies of co-creating things in the modern world.