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Somehow I think that a visiting foreigner that can read Chinese to order off a paper menu is probably also going to have a working phone number in China. Someon

Somehow I think that a visiting foreigner that can read Chinese to order off a paper menu is probably also going to have a working phone number in China. Someone that can't read Chinese and needs to use their phone for google translate is probably not going to be able to order off a paper menu either.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago
You’d be surprised how many overseas Chinese (who have immigrated to somewhere else) who are visiting China are trapped by this. And even foreigners who don’t read Chinese can pick out certain characters of the food they like to eat (you don’t need to read Chinese very well to recognize stereotypical 宫保鸡丁). China is really bad at exceptions. Many of those restaurants have gotten rid of their paper menus (which didn’t have English anyways, so they aren’t worried about foreigners). It’s like the train station kiosks that can’t deal with you if you don’t have a Chinese ID card.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Yes, it is helpful to have cell service, both in China and in the United States.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    You can get by without cell phone service in the USA. On all my business trips back to the USA while living in China, I didn't have much a problem (free open wifi is pretty common, you can even use Uber pretty easily without a phone number). In China...if someone else can get you a SIM, you'll be OK, or maybe you can get one at the airport in customs (that used to be possible), though they have been cracking down on SIMs without ID numbers or resident visas associated with them.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      > they have been cracking down on SIMs without ID numbers or resident visas associated with them. ?? I use Google Fi which has agreements with providers in almost every country, I had data as soon as I walked off the plane in China. Alipay was almost as easy to set up, although I understand that until recently it was limited to those with a Chinese bank account.
      - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        > I use Google Fi which gives has agreements with providers in almost every country, I had data as soon as I walked off the plane in China That sounds really nice...and a bit surprising considering nothing else Google works in China without a VPN. So...does it also work as a normal phone with a Chinese number so you can logon to wifi at Starbucks in China?
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        > a bit surprising considering nothing else Google works in China without a VPN. It is a bit surprising, although Google does have offices in China. It also has a VPN built in, which I recall would intermittently bypass the GFW. > So...does it also work as a normal phone with a Chinese number so you can logon to wifi at Starbucks in China? No, I don't think so, but I had unlimited data.
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        Were you in Guangzhou by any chance? They weird connections for foreigners that bypass the firewall, things that don’t exist in Beijing or Shanghai.
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        No, I was in Beijing, Kunming, and Shanghai. But I honestly don't recall the specifics of the firewall bypass - I was using Outline (another Google sponsored project, funnily enough) to skip it most of the time anyways.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

You’d be surprised how many overseas Chinese (who have immigrated to somewhere else) who are visiting China are trapped by this. And even foreigners who don’t read Chinese can pick out certain characters of the food they like to eat (you don’t need to read Chinese very well to recognize stereotypical 宫保鸡丁). China is really bad at exceptions. Many of those restaurants have gotten rid of their paper menus (which didn’t have English anyways, so they aren’t worried about foreigners). It’s like the train station kiosks that can’t deal with you if you don’t have a Chinese ID card.

whimsicalism 5y ago
Yes, it is helpful to have cell service, both in China and in the United States.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  You can get by without cell phone service in the USA. On all my business trips back to the USA while living in China, I didn't have much a problem (free open wifi is pretty common, you can even use Uber pretty easily without a phone number). In China...if someone else can get you a SIM, you'll be OK, or maybe you can get one at the airport in customs (that used to be possible), though they have been cracking down on SIMs without ID numbers or resident visas associated with them.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    > they have been cracking down on SIMs without ID numbers or resident visas associated with them. ?? I use Google Fi which has agreements with providers in almost every country, I had data as soon as I walked off the plane in China. Alipay was almost as easy to set up, although I understand that until recently it was limited to those with a Chinese bank account.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      > I use Google Fi which gives has agreements with providers in almost every country, I had data as soon as I walked off the plane in China That sounds really nice...and a bit surprising considering nothing else Google works in China without a VPN. So...does it also work as a normal phone with a Chinese number so you can logon to wifi at Starbucks in China?
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        > a bit surprising considering nothing else Google works in China without a VPN. It is a bit surprising, although Google does have offices in China. It also has a VPN built in, which I recall would intermittently bypass the GFW. > So...does it also work as a normal phone with a Chinese number so you can logon to wifi at Starbucks in China? No, I don't think so, but I had unlimited data.
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        Were you in Guangzhou by any chance? They weird connections for foreigners that bypass the firewall, things that don’t exist in Beijing or Shanghai.
        whimsicalism 5y ago
        No, I was in Beijing, Kunming, and Shanghai. But I honestly don't recall the specifics of the firewall bypass - I was using Outline (another Google sponsored project, funnily enough) to skip it most of the time anyways.