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Here's my problem with legalising weed: Smoking it has external problems that are difficult to ever resolve. If you have ever lived beside someone who smokes we

Here's my problem with legalising weed: Smoking it has external problems that are difficult to ever resolve. If you have ever lived beside someone who smokes weed the smell is all permeating, lingers and is absolutely vile. With more people living in apartment buildings it is an increasing problem I have observed.

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maloshackeros 5y ago
Could be said with anyone that has a drug or alcohol abuse...
- easytiger 5y ago
  No. It couldn't. How?
bitcurious 5y ago
Since legalized weed in MA most consumers in my circle have switched to edibles and vaping, as they are now available and provably* safe. Previously both were something of a crapshoot.
pmoriarty 5y ago
I like the smell of most strains of cannabis, but sometimes it is gross (I suspect because it's been mixed with tobacco). If it bothers you, you could take it up with your neighbors just as you would if they were blasting loud music late at night. Criminalizing it just leads to absolutely ruined lives and misery on a much worse scale than just an unpleasant smell.
- adventured 5y ago
  Taking it up with the neighbors will work zero times out of zero. If you're lucky you'll get a brief reprieve, which will then slip back. This goes for most any annoying, persistent externality when living amongst piles of other people. Their habits and behaviors are not going to change voluntarily to please strangers, even if they initially make a small token gesture to be polite. For anyone dealing with that situation, the only truly effective solution is to make sure the next time that you choose an apartment complex where the landlord does not allow smoking on the premises (whether tobacco or marijuana).
  - 8ytecoder 5y ago
    Most apartments have a no-smoking clause in their lease -it’s grounds for eviction. The problem though is it’s also usually illegal to smoke it in public.
  - bhawks 5y ago
    While I am not going to disagree with you - I do want to share something that took a long time for me to learn about apartment living (going from a middle class upbringing in a small town and being somewhat of an introvert). Make a conscious effort to get to know your apartment neighbors. Help carrying some bags to their door, share some food or drinks, talk about friends/family/local events, send them a new years card... If your only interactions are asking to turn the volume down or don't do the $annoying_thing, yes you'll get that response. And yeah some times you'll have neighbors that simply won't engage in community building but once I figured this out I realized those people are the exception not the rule. I also ended up getting some relationships that I would have never been exposed to in my professional or personal life.
    - easytiger 5y ago
      That doesn't work. In particular in modern buildings there might be 600+ residents with very few apartments per floor. The vectors for spreading of air between apartments can be varied. Internal, external, air intakes, communal infrastructure etc. How this relates to the unavoidable and highly pungent smell of weed I do not know
sigstoat 5y ago
i've heard the same complaints about people who cook with curry.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  That’s ridiculous curry smells amazing
csnover 5y ago
Cigarettes are legal and cause exactly the same kinds of problems. Every apartment complex I’ve lived in has had some smoke-free policy. If yours doesn’t, consider bringing it up with the landlord. I can’t imagine they like having their units ruined by smokers any more than you do.
javiramos 5y ago
The smell of my neighbor's cooking is also all permeating, lingering and absolutely vile.
jokethrowaway 5y ago
True, if you smoke it can be as bad as cigarettes. Similarly to cigarettes, if you vape cannabis the smell is much much much more tolerable, it doesn't linger and it's much reduced. I have people vaping nicotine in my building and, sure, I'm not a fan of smelling vanilla or whatever flavour they're vaping today, but it doesn't last long and it doesn't linger.
bhawks 5y ago
You could make a similar argument about playing loud music. Apartments, HOAs and similar communities are free to specify community rules, expectations and consequences in a contract/lease. When a party breaks those conditions then allow the community to enforce the contractual remedies. There is no reason to involve the state here to take away a person's life and liberty. Just allow people to interact (or not interact) voluntarily.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  Most places have sound restrictions though, not the building or community but as a city ordinance.
  - bhawks 5y ago
    I've had the opportunity to live in 5 major metropolitan areas in 3 different regions of the US. Every apartment I've live in has had multiple pages of community rules. Sound/noise always had building specific guidelines. Further calling police to handle a noise disturbance is a nuclear option. I'd hope people would have exhausted every other avenue before wasting the police's time on a noise problem.
- easytiger 5y ago
  Nope. Different countries have different rules. Invoking lease breach contracts in my country requires a high court judgement. That would take potentially years to achieve and a lot of money and multiple stakeholders involvement. Unfortunately keeping weed a criminal substance is the best option as police enforcement can be sought to counter anti social behaviour. Furthermore, noise is regulated by local authorities in my jurisdiction
  - bhawks 5y ago
    I think we have to agree to disagree here. Taking away a person's property, freedom, or life for what they choose to ingest and preventing people from voluntarily entering into and being bound by contracts is antisocial by my personal values.
vmception 5y ago
so you just aren't aware of those who use edibles, got it
- easytiger 5y ago
  So that represents 100% of THC users does it?
nickik 5y ago
Federal regulation that puts people in prison vs. the need for minimal community organization. Tough choice.
hackermeows 5y ago
I could say the same about bacon
timbit42 5y ago
Smokers need to be encouraged to switch to vaping.
bagacrap 5y ago
guess we should criminalize bowel movements

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maloshackeros 5y ago

Could be said with anyone that has a drug or alcohol abuse...

easytiger 5y ago
No. It couldn't. How?

bitcurious 5y ago

Since legalized weed in MA most consumers in my circle have switched to edibles and vaping, as they are now available and provably* safe. Previously both were something of a crapshoot.

pmoriarty 5y ago

I like the smell of most strains of cannabis, but sometimes it is gross (I suspect because it's been mixed with tobacco). If it bothers you, you could take it up with your neighbors just as you would if they were blasting loud music late at night. Criminalizing it just leads to absolutely ruined lives and misery on a much worse scale than just an unpleasant smell.

adventured 5y ago
Taking it up with the neighbors will work zero times out of zero. If you're lucky you'll get a brief reprieve, which will then slip back. This goes for most any annoying, persistent externality when living amongst piles of other people. Their habits and behaviors are not going to change voluntarily to please strangers, even if they initially make a small token gesture to be polite. For anyone dealing with that situation, the only truly effective solution is to make sure the next time that you choose an apartment complex where the landlord does not allow smoking on the premises (whether tobacco or marijuana).
- 8ytecoder 5y ago
  Most apartments have a no-smoking clause in their lease -it’s grounds for eviction. The problem though is it’s also usually illegal to smoke it in public.
- bhawks 5y ago
  While I am not going to disagree with you - I do want to share something that took a long time for me to learn about apartment living (going from a middle class upbringing in a small town and being somewhat of an introvert). Make a conscious effort to get to know your apartment neighbors. Help carrying some bags to their door, share some food or drinks, talk about friends/family/local events, send them a new years card... If your only interactions are asking to turn the volume down or don't do the $annoying_thing, yes you'll get that response. And yeah some times you'll have neighbors that simply won't engage in community building but once I figured this out I realized those people are the exception not the rule. I also ended up getting some relationships that I would have never been exposed to in my professional or personal life.
  - easytiger 5y ago
    That doesn't work. In particular in modern buildings there might be 600+ residents with very few apartments per floor. The vectors for spreading of air between apartments can be varied. Internal, external, air intakes, communal infrastructure etc. How this relates to the unavoidable and highly pungent smell of weed I do not know

sigstoat 5y ago

i've heard the same complaints about people who cook with curry.

edgyquant 5y ago
That’s ridiculous curry smells amazing

csnover 5y ago

Cigarettes are legal and cause exactly the same kinds of problems. Every apartment complex I’ve lived in has had some smoke-free policy. If yours doesn’t, consider bringing it up with the landlord. I can’t imagine they like having their units ruined by smokers any more than you do.

javiramos 5y ago

The smell of my neighbor's cooking is also all permeating, lingering and absolutely vile.

jokethrowaway 5y ago

True, if you smoke it can be as bad as cigarettes. Similarly to cigarettes, if you vape cannabis the smell is much much much more tolerable, it doesn't linger and it's much reduced. I have people vaping nicotine in my building and, sure, I'm not a fan of smelling vanilla or whatever flavour they're vaping today, but it doesn't last long and it doesn't linger.

bhawks 5y ago

You could make a similar argument about playing loud music. Apartments, HOAs and similar communities are free to specify community rules, expectations and consequences in a contract/lease. When a party breaks those conditions then allow the community to enforce the contractual remedies. There is no reason to involve the state here to take away a person's life and liberty. Just allow people to interact (or not interact) voluntarily.

edgyquant 5y ago
Most places have sound restrictions though, not the building or community but as a city ordinance.
- bhawks 5y ago
  I've had the opportunity to live in 5 major metropolitan areas in 3 different regions of the US. Every apartment I've live in has had multiple pages of community rules. Sound/noise always had building specific guidelines. Further calling police to handle a noise disturbance is a nuclear option. I'd hope people would have exhausted every other avenue before wasting the police's time on a noise problem.
easytiger 5y ago
Nope. Different countries have different rules. Invoking lease breach contracts in my country requires a high court judgement. That would take potentially years to achieve and a lot of money and multiple stakeholders involvement. Unfortunately keeping weed a criminal substance is the best option as police enforcement can be sought to counter anti social behaviour. Furthermore, noise is regulated by local authorities in my jurisdiction
- bhawks 5y ago
  I think we have to agree to disagree here. Taking away a person's property, freedom, or life for what they choose to ingest and preventing people from voluntarily entering into and being bound by contracts is antisocial by my personal values.

vmception 5y ago

so you just aren't aware of those who use edibles, got it

easytiger 5y ago
So that represents 100% of THC users does it?

nickik 5y ago

Federal regulation that puts people in prison vs. the need for minimal community organization. Tough choice.

hackermeows 5y ago

I could say the same about bacon

timbit42 5y ago

Smokers need to be encouraged to switch to vaping.

bagacrap 5y ago

guess we should criminalize bowel movements