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OneDrive, Edge (if you're into it) and setting sync. What do you mean it does not makes sense? I am not using MS login myself but saying it doesn't make sense

OneDrive, Edge (if you're into it) and setting sync. What do you mean it does not makes sense? I am not using MS login myself but saying it doesn't make sense is ridiculous. It's exactly same as what Apple does. As for people who say it's required on Windows: It's not. You can create local account during setup, the link is there once you cancel your online login. It's hidden at first, but it's there. You don't even have to disconnect your internet or anything like that. Shit move by MS (dark UI pattern) but it is totally possible.

iwasakabukiman 5y ago
I can set up and sign in to MacOS without using my Apple ID though.
- jptech 5y ago
  Correct me if i'm wrong but I think you still need to go online to finish the setup process?
  - skohan 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure you don't need a network connection to set up a mac unless this has changed in recent releases.
  - vetinari 5y ago
    No, you don't need to. There is zero-touch enterprise provisioning available, that requires you to be connected to a suitably configured local network (if learns about what it needs from dhcp tags), but this is not something that normal users need to be concerned about. For a non-MDM-managed mac, you can do everything offline just fine. Or you can be online, if you do not want to use iCloud account (I'm not using it either), you can finish the OOBE wizard and everything will be just like the user wants.
thelibrarian 5y ago
No, it is not. Apple does encourage setting up/associating an Apple ID account, it is not a requirement.
- romanovcode 5y ago
  God damn it how many times I have to say it: it's not required on Windows as well! You click cancel, then click tiny link at bottom to create local account. You are talking about things you have no idea about man.
  - lovelyviking 5y ago
    It seems you'll have to say it many times more untill this dark pattern will be removed. Apple uses the same teqchinque to trick you into using iCloud making it look like requrement for use your iPhone. For my taste it is cheating and dsigusting because even when you know it can be avoided you should work hard to find it especially when you are in a hurry and this trouble is by "design".
  - Brendinooo 5y ago
    The article is saying that it's going to be mandatory for the new home version of Windows.
  - Bedon292 5y ago
    In the latest releases of Win 10 Home, at least once you have connected to the network, that button does not exist. They prompt you to enter your WiFi info first, then ask you to log in. And once you have entered the WiFi info you cannot get back to that screen and remove it until after you have set everything up. At least not without a factory reset, which I didn't actually try. They force you to log in with a MS account during the initial setup then once you are in you can add a local admin account. Then you can log into it and remove the MS account. Its absolutely horrible. I have been dealing with this a lot lately, had several laptops that were Home and could not get in to them without the MS account. Its a huge pain.
  - simiones 5y ago
    You can say it however many times you want, but you are wrong. You would have been right had you been talking about Windows 10 Home ~1-2 years ago. But today, Windows 10 Home only gives you the option to login with a local account if you are offline (no cable, no WiFi) or you fail to login to an MS account multiple times. Only in one of those cases do they give you a small, relatively hidden option to use the local account.
CannisterFlux 5y ago
Apparently in Windows 11 they removed that loophole, and now you require an internet connection at least once during setup to proceed.
- naikrovek 5y ago
  Windows 11 Home only. Pro, Enterprise, and Education don't have this requirement.
  - dividedbyzero 5y ago
    Are any of these freely sold to individuals, or do you only get them as part of larger deals?
    - vel0city 5y ago
      Pro is sold to individuals and you can easily get a laptop with a Pro license from an OEM.
      - dividedbyzero 5y ago
        Seems like there's also Pro for Workstations. Also, full disk encryption seems to only be available in Pro?
        naikrovek 5y ago
        Yes. Well, BitLocker is in Pro, Pro for Workstations and Enterprise. Same for Hyper-V, if that matters to you; not available in Home. Home edition is for non-commercial use. I don't know if that's in the EULA or not, but that's the use case that Home is meant for. Pro and higher are for work use cases, and features add on as you go up the line. Pro for Workstations and Enterprise support slightly different feature sets, IIRC. Creating new ReFS filesystems is only available on Pro for Workstations, for example.
        5y ago
toast0 5y ago
On Windows 10 Home, in latest releases, you actually need to disconnect the cable to get the move on without a Microsoft account links to show up. Word on the street is Windows 11 is going to make them actually mandatory on Home, instead of only pretend mandatory with lots of prompting.
- oauea 5y ago
  Unless it changed very recently you can also enter a bogus email address several times. Not that that is much better.

iwasakabukiman 5y ago

I can set up and sign in to MacOS without using my Apple ID though.

jptech 5y ago
Correct me if i'm wrong but I think you still need to go online to finish the setup process?
- skohan 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure you don't need a network connection to set up a mac unless this has changed in recent releases.
- vetinari 5y ago
  No, you don't need to. There is zero-touch enterprise provisioning available, that requires you to be connected to a suitably configured local network (if learns about what it needs from dhcp tags), but this is not something that normal users need to be concerned about. For a non-MDM-managed mac, you can do everything offline just fine. Or you can be online, if you do not want to use iCloud account (I'm not using it either), you can finish the OOBE wizard and everything will be just like the user wants.

thelibrarian 5y ago

No, it is not. Apple does encourage setting up/associating an Apple ID account, it is not a requirement.

romanovcode 5y ago
God damn it how many times I have to say it: it's not required on Windows as well! You click cancel, then click tiny link at bottom to create local account. You are talking about things you have no idea about man.
- lovelyviking 5y ago
  It seems you'll have to say it many times more untill this dark pattern will be removed. Apple uses the same teqchinque to trick you into using iCloud making it look like requrement for use your iPhone. For my taste it is cheating and dsigusting because even when you know it can be avoided you should work hard to find it especially when you are in a hurry and this trouble is by "design".
- Brendinooo 5y ago
  The article is saying that it's going to be mandatory for the new home version of Windows.
- Bedon292 5y ago
  In the latest releases of Win 10 Home, at least once you have connected to the network, that button does not exist. They prompt you to enter your WiFi info first, then ask you to log in. And once you have entered the WiFi info you cannot get back to that screen and remove it until after you have set everything up. At least not without a factory reset, which I didn't actually try. They force you to log in with a MS account during the initial setup then once you are in you can add a local admin account. Then you can log into it and remove the MS account. Its absolutely horrible. I have been dealing with this a lot lately, had several laptops that were Home and could not get in to them without the MS account. Its a huge pain.
- simiones 5y ago
  You can say it however many times you want, but you are wrong. You would have been right had you been talking about Windows 10 Home ~1-2 years ago. But today, Windows 10 Home only gives you the option to login with a local account if you are offline (no cable, no WiFi) or you fail to login to an MS account multiple times. Only in one of those cases do they give you a small, relatively hidden option to use the local account.

CannisterFlux 5y ago

Apparently in Windows 11 they removed that loophole, and now you require an internet connection at least once during setup to proceed.

naikrovek 5y ago
Windows 11 Home only. Pro, Enterprise, and Education don't have this requirement.
- dividedbyzero 5y ago
  Are any of these freely sold to individuals, or do you only get them as part of larger deals?
  - vel0city 5y ago
    Pro is sold to individuals and you can easily get a laptop with a Pro license from an OEM.
    - dividedbyzero 5y ago
      Seems like there's also Pro for Workstations. Also, full disk encryption seems to only be available in Pro?
      - naikrovek 5y ago
        Yes. Well, BitLocker is in Pro, Pro for Workstations and Enterprise. Same for Hyper-V, if that matters to you; not available in Home. Home edition is for non-commercial use. I don't know if that's in the EULA or not, but that's the use case that Home is meant for. Pro and higher are for work use cases, and features add on as you go up the line. Pro for Workstations and Enterprise support slightly different feature sets, IIRC. Creating new ReFS filesystems is only available on Pro for Workstations, for example.
        5y ago

toast0 5y ago

On Windows 10 Home, in latest releases, you actually need to disconnect the cable to get the move on without a Microsoft account links to show up. Word on the street is Windows 11 is going to make them actually mandatory on Home, instead of only pretend mandatory with lots of prompting.

oauea 5y ago
Unless it changed very recently you can also enter a bogus email address several times. Not that that is much better.