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What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly se

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...

enby1 5y ago
KF exists solely for harassment, doxxing, etc. They generally hate furries, LGBTQ+, streamers, "e-girls", really anyone. They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.
- undfg 5y ago
  >They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc. So like Twitter mobs? :P
  - d3nj4l 5y ago
    KF's dedication to it makes twitter look like a joke.
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kbenson 5y ago
There's a lot implied in the doc linked from twitter, if not spelled out. Particularly troubling is the alleged targeting of friends and family. That said, it's one side, and not even from the source, but from someone's interpretation/understanding of what happened to the source, so I'm being careful to not assume much. The quick-take might be the correct take in this case, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with using it.
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  I would edit this into my parent comment, but can't edit it any more. Further reading I found this post from the Kiwi Farms operator that shares an email from Near explaining a little more on the situation. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/post-9313936 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
  - sterlind 5y ago
    that whole thread is so vile. poor Near. like, Near is apologizing to Null for persuading one of KF's moderators to delete the thread on them, and presumably was angry that Near influenced a mod into a chance of conscience? and Null lashes out at Near for it? these are evil people. I wonder if they realize how evil they are.
    - entropicdrifter 5y ago
      Sadly, the majority have either convinced themselves they're good and the world is evil or decided that they don't care
GPerson 5y ago
Is being cruel and flippantly celebrating a suicide not condemnable enough?
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  I don't think it is the same as murder or should be illegal. Just yesterday YouTube recommended me a video about an Australian YouTuber facing legal trouble for being mean to an Australian government figure. The laws he may, or may not, have run afoul of use similar language about online harassment. The YouTuber claims to be calling attention to corruption and poor governmental practice. To me, the Australian YouTuber drama epitomizes a bad possible result of making online bullying illegal. Such laws will be used to squash genuine dissent - not just jerks. I do think the cruel people celebrating a suicide should be morally condemned. I would think less of people who do that. I wouldn't advertise there, work there, etc. But I don't think it should be illegal and it is not similar to murder.
  - falcolas 5y ago
    Don’t you believe that actions should have consequences? Do you believe that psychological attacks can have a lasting impact? Do you think that threatening someone’s friends and families is a reasonable act? Do you agree that getting an intermediary to kill a third party is still murder? Why can’t the intermediary also be the third party? This was a pre-meditated and coordinated long term psychological attack, with the explicit goal of getting someone to kill themselves. These actions must have consequences.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      I think it is difficult to get the definition of such a law right. You don't want to send someone for jail just for, e.g., frequently arguing with someone and sometimes insulting them.
      - sitkack 5y ago
        If the intent is to kill, and the person died through their actions, then it is murder. The methods and means don't need to be enumerated. The intent and the end state are what is defined in law. Both the US and Japan have standing here to charge KF members with murder and those that run KF as an accomplice.

enby1 5y ago

KF exists solely for harassment, doxxing, etc. They generally hate furries, LGBTQ+, streamers, "e-girls", really anyone. They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.

undfg 5y ago
>They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc. So like Twitter mobs? :P
- d3nj4l 5y ago
  KF's dedication to it makes twitter look like a joke.

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kbenson 5y ago

There's a lot implied in the doc linked from twitter, if not spelled out. Particularly troubling is the alleged targeting of friends and family. That said, it's one side, and not even from the source, but from someone's interpretation/understanding of what happened to the source, so I'm being careful to not assume much. The quick-take might be the correct take in this case, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with using it.

ALittleLight 5y ago
I would edit this into my parent comment, but can't edit it any more. Further reading I found this post from the Kiwi Farms operator that shares an email from Near explaining a little more on the situation. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/post-9313936 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
- sterlind 5y ago
  that whole thread is so vile. poor Near. like, Near is apologizing to Null for persuading one of KF's moderators to delete the thread on them, and presumably was angry that Near influenced a mod into a chance of conscience? and Null lashes out at Near for it? these are evil people. I wonder if they realize how evil they are.
  - entropicdrifter 5y ago
    Sadly, the majority have either convinced themselves they're good and the world is evil or decided that they don't care

GPerson 5y ago

Is being cruel and flippantly celebrating a suicide not condemnable enough?

ALittleLight 5y ago
I don't think it is the same as murder or should be illegal. Just yesterday YouTube recommended me a video about an Australian YouTuber facing legal trouble for being mean to an Australian government figure. The laws he may, or may not, have run afoul of use similar language about online harassment. The YouTuber claims to be calling attention to corruption and poor governmental practice. To me, the Australian YouTuber drama epitomizes a bad possible result of making online bullying illegal. Such laws will be used to squash genuine dissent - not just jerks. I do think the cruel people celebrating a suicide should be morally condemned. I would think less of people who do that. I wouldn't advertise there, work there, etc. But I don't think it should be illegal and it is not similar to murder.
- falcolas 5y ago
  Don’t you believe that actions should have consequences? Do you believe that psychological attacks can have a lasting impact? Do you think that threatening someone’s friends and families is a reasonable act? Do you agree that getting an intermediary to kill a third party is still murder? Why can’t the intermediary also be the third party? This was a pre-meditated and coordinated long term psychological attack, with the explicit goal of getting someone to kill themselves. These actions must have consequences.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    I think it is difficult to get the definition of such a law right. You don't want to send someone for jail just for, e.g., frequently arguing with someone and sometimes insulting them.
    - sitkack 5y ago
      If the intent is to kill, and the person died through their actions, then it is murder. The methods and means don't need to be enumerated. The intent and the end state are what is defined in law. Both the US and Japan have standing here to charge KF members with murder and those that run KF as an accomplice.