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The behavior Kiwi Farms encourages seems like it should be illegal. How is this not murder?

by nchase 5y ago

bjt2n3904 5y ago
In 2017, a Massachusetts woman was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for coaxing her (then) boyfriend to suicide.
- treloon 5y ago
  Is there any evidence that any member of the Farms did anything like that chick did, or is this a horrible comparison?
_delirium 5y ago
This is the most useful review article I've found (for U.S. law), though it's from 2014: "Death By Bullying: A Comparative Culpability Proposal", https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1885&context=plr https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=... The overall conclusion I get from it is that homicide or manslaughter charges could be brought in principle, but prosecutions are rare, and successful ones even more rare. The article author proposes a legal standard for culpability, but it's not clear it's been adopted by any courts. There are also some examples of lesser charges, like harassment or stalking, but they're also rare. In addition, several states have passed specific criminal bullying and/or cyberbullying laws that might allow easier conviction on a lesser charge, but they haven't been widely tested yet.
ALittleLight 5y ago
What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
- enby1 5y ago
  KF exists solely for harassment, doxxing, etc. They generally hate furries, LGBTQ+, streamers, "e-girls", really anyone. They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.
  - undfg 5y ago
    >They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc. So like Twitter mobs? :P
    - d3nj4l 5y ago
      KF's dedication to it makes twitter look like a joke.
- deleted 5y ago
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- kbenson 5y ago
  There's a lot implied in the doc linked from twitter, if not spelled out. Particularly troubling is the alleged targeting of friends and family. That said, it's one side, and not even from the source, but from someone's interpretation/understanding of what happened to the source, so I'm being careful to not assume much. The quick-take might be the correct take in this case, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with using it.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    I would edit this into my parent comment, but can't edit it any more. Further reading I found this post from the Kiwi Farms operator that shares an email from Near explaining a little more on the situation. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/post-9313936 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
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The behavior Kiwi Farms encourages seems like it should be illegal. How is this not murder?

by nchase 5y ago

The behavior Kiwi Farms encourages seems like it should be illegal. How is this not murder?

bjt2n3904 5y ago

In 2017, a Massachusetts woman was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for coaxing her (then) boyfriend to suicide.

treloon 5y ago
Is there any evidence that any member of the Farms did anything like that chick did, or is this a horrible comparison?

_delirium 5y ago

This is the most useful review article I've found (for U.S. law), though it's from 2014: "Death By Bullying: A Comparative Culpability Proposal", https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1885&context=plr https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=... The overall conclusion I get from it is that homicide or manslaughter charges could be brought in principle, but prosecutions are rare, and successful ones even more rare. The article author proposes a legal standard for culpability, but it's not clear it's been adopted by any courts. There are also some examples of lesser charges, like harassment or stalking, but they're also rare. In addition, several states have passed specific criminal bullying and/or cyberbullying laws that might allow easier conviction on a lesser charge, but they haven't been widely tested yet.

ALittleLight 5y ago

What did Kiwi Farms do? I tried looking up their comments on him[1] but only sampled some at random rather than reading all of their comments. It certainly seems cruel and mean spirited. Some more recent comments are flippant or celebrating the suicide - but it isn't clear to me that they did anything other than be mean to Near online. Am I missing something? 1 - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...

enby1 5y ago
KF exists solely for harassment, doxxing, etc. They generally hate furries, LGBTQ+, streamers, "e-girls", really anyone. They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc.
- undfg 5y ago
  >They'll try to get you fired, call your boss, harass your workplace with fake reviews about you until you get fired, etc. So like Twitter mobs? :P
  - d3nj4l 5y ago
    KF's dedication to it makes twitter look like a joke.
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kbenson 5y ago
There's a lot implied in the doc linked from twitter, if not spelled out. Particularly troubling is the alleged targeting of friends and family. That said, it's one side, and not even from the source, but from someone's interpretation/understanding of what happened to the source, so I'm being careful to not assume much. The quick-take might be the correct take in this case, but that doesn't mean I'm comfortable with using it.
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  I would edit this into my parent comment, but can't edit it any more. Further reading I found this post from the Kiwi Farms operator that shares an email from Near explaining a little more on the situation. https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.43056/post-9313936 https://kiwifarms.net/threads/byuu-byuu_nyan-setsunakun0.430...
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